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Yup I am all over the gardening beds....I plan on working on them all winter actually...as I am gardening in small beds all around the place....
600 billion$ VS Your $; y'all'd best be planning a garden for spring
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Lasagne beds are your answer. Make your own dirt this winter.
Lasagne beds are your answer. Make your own dirt this winter.
Ruth I LOVE that tire setup you have, it's SO cute and functional to boot. And I've already got one of those posts AND the tires. How handy is that! Paint wise... latex, spray, water based, oil based... any thoughts? I've got some yellow leftover from the coop in a can, and a couple different flavors of spray, but I donno how those react to rubber and/or soil. Any tips appreciated.
I may just stop by DG anyways though, I'm a book addict I confess. Plus I can see if they have any Hallow's Deco marked down to boot.
Lasagne beds?? Off to google... back already, that was easy to find... http://organicgardening.about.com/od/startinganorganicgarden/a/lasagnagarden.htm is the one I'm reading now.
I may just stop by DG anyways though, I'm a book addict I confess. Plus I can see if they have any Hallow's Deco marked down to boot.
Lasagne beds?? Off to google... back already, that was easy to find... http://organicgardening.about.com/od/startinganorganicgarden/a/lasagnagarden.htm is the one I'm reading now.
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Weak dollar also = paying more for oil which is one of the biggest imports and is needed to produce exports. Hence the cost of exports goes up due to increased energy costs which works to nullify the trade advantage.
I agree that oil is a huge issue. That's why I mentioned oil specifically. This stuff is always more complicated that it seems it should be. Oil directly effects the cost of transportation and is a raw product for an amazing amount of things we produce. Fertilizer, plastics, and medicine immmediately come to mind but there are a lot more. The international price of oil is tied to the dollar so a weak dollar means the price of oil goes up for us while countries with stronger currencies in relation to the dollar can buy dollars to pay for oil cheaper. In theory that helps create a demand for the dollar, thus strengthening it. I'm a believer in theory but a bigger believer in practice. I don't want to to turn this into a debate on oil but I'll take that risk. I think the farmers outweigh us on this thread anyway and both are in line with Joe's original post. I worked in the oil industry for a few decades so I'll give my opinion. We will never really get our balance of payments under control until we stop importing so much oil. We will never be able to drill enough domestically to really alter that. I'm sorry but we won't. All that is mostly a smokescreen for short term profit. We just physically cannot drill and produce that much. I kind of like the idea of leaving our oil in the ground too for my grandchildren to use after we've used other peoples, but I can be selfish. Conservation will help and we should conserve, but it is not going to make a serious dent in it either. The only thing that will help is to find other things to substitute for oil. Big oil will keep the price of oil at a level to maximize profit but keep the price just low enough so oil is the cheaper alternative and we cannot really afford to pay for the substitutes. By big oil, I do not mean Shell, BP, Exxon, or Chevron. I mean the real big oil. Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Iran, Indonesia.
Yes I agree oil is a huge issue but the higher price of oil to us in a weak dollar environment does not alter my basic assumption. It just means it alters the equation so there is not a one to one correlation between the strength of the dollar and jobs but there is still a correlation. Imported oil and other raw materials does not make up all the costs of producing things for market either domestic or abroad.
Weak dollar does not help an import nation as the price of goods imported goes up more than the total price of good exported goes up. If they could turn the trade defficite around to a surplus that could be changed but with oil and raw material imports being so huge that would be hard to do.
Exactly. The idea behind a weak dollar creating jobs is that the trade deficit does get altered. Foreign goods costs us more so we import less. Our goods costs less so the world wants to buy the cheaper American goods. And I agree. It will be very hard to do.
Weak dollar also = paying more for oil which is one of the biggest imports and is needed to produce exports. Hence the cost of exports goes up due to increased energy costs which works to nullify the trade advantage.
I agree that oil is a huge issue. That's why I mentioned oil specifically. This stuff is always more complicated that it seems it should be. Oil directly effects the cost of transportation and is a raw product for an amazing amount of things we produce. Fertilizer, plastics, and medicine immmediately come to mind but there are a lot more. The international price of oil is tied to the dollar so a weak dollar means the price of oil goes up for us while countries with stronger currencies in relation to the dollar can buy dollars to pay for oil cheaper. In theory that helps create a demand for the dollar, thus strengthening it. I'm a believer in theory but a bigger believer in practice. I don't want to to turn this into a debate on oil but I'll take that risk. I think the farmers outweigh us on this thread anyway and both are in line with Joe's original post. I worked in the oil industry for a few decades so I'll give my opinion. We will never really get our balance of payments under control until we stop importing so much oil. We will never be able to drill enough domestically to really alter that. I'm sorry but we won't. All that is mostly a smokescreen for short term profit. We just physically cannot drill and produce that much. I kind of like the idea of leaving our oil in the ground too for my grandchildren to use after we've used other peoples, but I can be selfish. Conservation will help and we should conserve, but it is not going to make a serious dent in it either. The only thing that will help is to find other things to substitute for oil. Big oil will keep the price of oil at a level to maximize profit but keep the price just low enough so oil is the cheaper alternative and we cannot really afford to pay for the substitutes. By big oil, I do not mean Shell, BP, Exxon, or Chevron. I mean the real big oil. Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Iran, Indonesia.
Yes I agree oil is a huge issue but the higher price of oil to us in a weak dollar environment does not alter my basic assumption. It just means it alters the equation so there is not a one to one correlation between the strength of the dollar and jobs but there is still a correlation. Imported oil and other raw materials does not make up all the costs of producing things for market either domestic or abroad.
Weak dollar does not help an import nation as the price of goods imported goes up more than the total price of good exported goes up. If they could turn the trade defficite around to a surplus that could be changed but with oil and raw material imports being so huge that would be hard to do.
Exactly. The idea behind a weak dollar creating jobs is that the trade deficit does get altered. Foreign goods costs us more so we import less. Our goods costs less so the world wants to buy the cheaper American goods. And I agree. It will be very hard to do.
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Raised beds with a potting soil mix.
I am starting my garden in February.
Raised beds with a potting soil mix.
I am starting my garden in February.
I had a large garden this year and just all of it went to waste.....been sick and battling fungus going on in the garden like blossom rot.
Next year I am cutting the garden by half and maximize the bed what me and my family can eat. I have a 8 x 6 plot next to the chicken coop that I can convert into garden so two small beds will suffice and not go over my head. The weeding of that bed this year was horrible....sitting next to a silver maple was bad enough, tiny sprouts of its helicopter seeds would make them grow anywhere.
I 've got better things to do to spend that 600 billion.
Next year I am cutting the garden by half and maximize the bed what me and my family can eat. I have a 8 x 6 plot next to the chicken coop that I can convert into garden so two small beds will suffice and not go over my head. The weeding of that bed this year was horrible....sitting next to a silver maple was bad enough, tiny sprouts of its helicopter seeds would make them grow anywhere.
I 've got better things to do to spend that 600 billion.
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Lasagne beds are your answer. Make your own dirt this winter.
I concur about the lasagna gardening method. In the fall before we moved, we layered old school papers, newspaper, peat, old grass clippings, manure, old leaves, soil (I wish we'd had chicken bedding to add at the time)...as we laid each layer we wet the lot. On the top, a good mulch. By winter's end, decomp has begun and the bed should be slightly warm which adds a great start to the growing season (esp. when young plants are covered with old recycled plastic milk carton mini-greenhouses)
The soil created is rich, healthy and best of all, IMHO...very inexpensive.
Lasagne beds are your answer. Make your own dirt this winter.
I concur about the lasagna gardening method. In the fall before we moved, we layered old school papers, newspaper, peat, old grass clippings, manure, old leaves, soil (I wish we'd had chicken bedding to add at the time)...as we laid each layer we wet the lot. On the top, a good mulch. By winter's end, decomp has begun and the bed should be slightly warm which adds a great start to the growing season (esp. when young plants are covered with old recycled plastic milk carton mini-greenhouses)
The soil created is rich, healthy and best of all, IMHO...very inexpensive.
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This is VERY alarming. I had no idea- 40%?
This is VERY alarming. I had no idea- 40%?
Those look amazing Mordarlar, is that 2x6 lumber for the sides and 4x4 to brace in the corners??
Is the 4x4 only 6" to match the lumber, or does it go down into the soil some?
On the 40% thing... maybe I'm wrong, or just a cheapskate, but it seems like things have ALREADY gone up that much in recent years. I remember, clearly, being able to buy a bag of sugar for 99c, and one store or the other always had it on for that price if not every week then every other. Now, if you're lucky, they'll put the same bag, same weight, on sale for $1.50, $1.69.... even $1.99 is a good price compared to the $2.19++ for it. That's at LEAST a 50% markup from how it was.
But I cannot recall exactly when it was that I last saw that on for 99c so I'm not sure just how many years that 50% inflation took. Not that I need to be buying a bunch of sugar, but it's one I remember clearly... anyone else have an item they KNOW has already been jacked up in recent years?
Is the 4x4 only 6" to match the lumber, or does it go down into the soil some?
On the 40% thing... maybe I'm wrong, or just a cheapskate, but it seems like things have ALREADY gone up that much in recent years. I remember, clearly, being able to buy a bag of sugar for 99c, and one store or the other always had it on for that price if not every week then every other. Now, if you're lucky, they'll put the same bag, same weight, on sale for $1.50, $1.69.... even $1.99 is a good price compared to the $2.19++ for it. That's at LEAST a 50% markup from how it was.
But I cannot recall exactly when it was that I last saw that on for 99c so I'm not sure just how many years that 50% inflation took. Not that I need to be buying a bunch of sugar, but it's one I remember clearly... anyone else have an item they KNOW has already been jacked up in recent years?
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