A century of Turkey talk 2000-2100.

[Chaos18]

I will wait until my BFF and I are on a first name basis before I ask him.


When I put the toms in full time and because of my pens or lack of pens, I had to let one set of breeders free range. When I did this the Toms would try to fight through the fence on the pens. I ended up with Toms that wore all the feathers off their breasts. If I just put them in with the hen or hens I want them to be with I can use smaller pens. Many hens could do just fine in a smaller tractor.coop. whereas my Toms are bigger and would need more room full time, but a few hours in a small pen with a cute little hen would not bother them.

So than what would you do with the toms when they're not busy with pretty girls? Let them roam around and fight with no fences?

I am shocked at the way you guys treat poor me!

If I get this much poop over a few turkey things with Mr. Porter, how are you going to act when I come back with my new wife from the Grand Ol opry?

Depending on what she looks like or who she is we'll probably be nicer to you.

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- it all boils down to marketing and opinions. To borrow an example from the dog world, a Goldendoodle is a "mutt", not a purebred, but they are specifically bred and marketed, and so command a much higher price than anything designated as a "mutt".

Red and brown sexlinks, Freedom Rangers, etc are not breeds in the eyes of many, but they are certainly not mutts in a commercial sense. My crossing of a (probably impure) RP to my Porter-bred Mottled Black hens gave me a few surprises. I certainly have some phenotypically pure Mottled Blacks and RP's, but I also have some that I think would be called (on the Porter site) Silver Dappled or Mottled Silver Dapple (probably the later, given the parent genetics). According to Porter's info, the later will produce:
"Mottled Silver Dapple, Silver Dapple, Marbled Black, Mottled Black, Royal Palm and also White."

I refuse to call them mutts, they are far too pretty and well mannered for that, but that sort of variation in the offspring of a chicken or dog would indicate a rather mixed up parentage. The turkey enthusiast community is lucky to have Kevin Porter documenting and naming all these variations so we don't have to resort to designations like "barnyard mix", which is rather denigrating to the bird, IMO.

If anyone local to me is interested in any of those colors, let me know. I will probably not be able to tell the difference as poults, they will be either black or white/RP.

Yes I would agree that we are lucky having Mr. Porter and all the work he has done. "It's a distinction without a difference" sounds good to me and makes sense. As far as chickens go what would you suggest they be called of that "barnyard mixes"? Can we start giving them cool names like the dog world did with the mutt "goldendoodle"?

 

[memphis]

My thoughts exactly regarding Porters. We are lucky. I'm addicted to the calculator.

Ralphie. ..when are you heading south?

 

[memphis]

Chaos...are you rethinking your choice of hens for T-Bone due to genetics?

 

[dheltzel]

Yes I would agree that we are lucky having Mr. Porter and all the work he has done. "It's a distinction without a difference" sounds good to me and makes sense. As far as chickens go what would you suggest they be called of that "barnyard mixes"? Can we start giving them cool names like the dog world did with the mutt "goldendoodle"?

Yes! I have several "projects" in the works and will be selling some this year to locals that want something no one else has. Ever heard of a Welbar? I made them, and AFAIK, only one other person in the US has also done that, and they are in FL and refuse to sell them, so I made my own.

Also, my "black sexlinks that lay blue eggs" need a better branded name. Maybe "Pennsylvania Blacks", what do you think? There is an Iowa Blue and a Delaware Blue Hen, so why not a "PA Black" ?

I guess this got rather off the turkey track. You should consider adding mottled blacks to your sweetgrass instead if royal palms, then you could be tricolor mottled blacks, a very cool looking turkey. If you used a mottled black top over sweetgrass hens, you would get 4 different varieties as a result, 2 kinds of hens and 2 kinds of toms.

 

[copper2]

If I read that correctly, then Copper was right the cg must be sex linked or recessive? I am just guessing here. Copper Help?

A female is WZ  a male is ZZ, So if the cg attaches to the W only it would only appear in females.  Is that right Copper? If it is recessive and attaches to the W whatever is dominant would take over, but then it should be written CG. so I am guessing it is the former?



Now did I really confuse everyone?

You just confused me! All I know about turkey genetics is from porters. ee and ngng are both sex-linked and recessive.

 

[duluthralphie]

So than what would you do with the toms when they're not busy with pretty girls? Let them roam around and fight with no fences? Yep.. They have a pretty good system in place. a few squabbles will occur but most know their spot on the pecking order.

Depending on what she looks like or who she is we'll probably be nicer to you. You must have missed this conversation. We are going to the Grand Ol Opry and Carrie Underwood is singing that night. I am in row 8, I know, because of natural selection and stuff she ill hardly be able to sing with a piece of eye candy like myself sitting there. Then she will have them bring me backstage, and next thing you know I own a Jet and have a new wife. I feel bad for the old wife but heck, it happens. BTW I am planning to install roost in our jet so the turkeys can fly with us.

Yes I would agree that we are lucky having Mr. Porter and all the work he has done. "It's a distinction without a difference" sounds good to me and makes sense. As far as chickens go what would you suggest they be called of that "barnyard mixes"? Can we start giving them cool names like the dog world did with the mutt "goldendoodle"?

 

[duluthralphie]

My thoughts exactly regarding Porters. We are lucky. I'm addicted to the calculator.

Ralphie. ..when are you heading south?

We are leaving tomorrow AM. sometime,

 

[Chaos18]

Chaos...are you rethinking your choice of hens for T-Bone due to genetics?

No I'm not as I really like the Sweetgrass but am thinking of adding to the girlfriend numbers

Yes! I have several "projects" in the works and will be selling some this year to locals that want something no one else has. Ever heard of a Welbar? I made them, and AFAIK, only one other person in the US has also done that, and they are in FL and refuse to sell them, so I made my own.

Also, my "black sexlinks that lay blue eggs" need a better branded name. Maybe "Pennsylvania Blacks", what do you think? There is an Iowa Blue and a Delaware Blue Hen, so why not a "PA Black" ?

I guess this got rather off the turkey track. You should consider adding mottled blacks to your sweetgrass instead if royal palms, then you could be tricolor mottled blacks, a very cool looking turkey. If you used a mottled black top over sweetgrass hens, you would get 4 different varieties as a result, 2 kinds of hens and 2 kinds of toms.

Yes, I've heard of a Welbar.....from you

Pennsylvania Black sounds like an acceptable chicken breed name to me. Do you think you could get them to be as famous as Reeses Cream Legabrs? Funny you should mention adding a mottled black turkey to my sweetgrass. The lady I'm going to getting my new birds from (currently planning on getting some sweetgrass/royal palm mixes) (they look like royal palms but have some of the lighter brown feathering from a sweetgrass) has a mottled black I was thinking of adding to the mix. You can also make tri-colored mottled blacks if you cross a sweetgrass tom over a slate hen. So many possiblities..............

 

[duluthralphie]

You just confused me! All I know about turkey genetics is from porters. ee and ngng are both sex-linked and recessive.

I meant ng and auto correct did cg?? what's with that?

 

[Chaos18]

You must have missed this conversation. We are going to the Grand Ol Opry and Carrie Underwood is singing that night. I am in row 8, I know, because of natural selection and stuff she ill hardly be able to sing with a piece of eye candy like myself sitting there. Then she will have them bring me backstage, and next thing you know I own a Jet and have a new wife. I feel bad for the old wife but heck, it happens. BTW I am planning to install roost in our jet so the turkeys can fly with us.

Well than congratulations on the new trophy.