A Coturnix Quail Standard

[adubsroit]

Omniskies raised a really valid point that I never really thought of. Maybe a Coturnix Standard should take a page from the Turkey's.

I'm glad to see that things are rolling in the right direction, especially with a list of colors and patterns. For now I am trying to just get a list set up of the bird's colors/sizes/patterns and not so much focusing on the genetics of them right now. I feel that would best be left up to those who know much more than I do. As for the actual list of colors/variety/size, I hope the following can stand for a starting point. PLEASE, for the sake of keeping this as sane as possible: if something needs editing quote the misinformation and revise is a reply.

PATTERNS:
- Wild (Pattern) - the common pattern as is easily recognized on the Brown coturnixes.
- White (as a Pattern) - feathers void of color, due to a dose of double pied genes. True white would be albino.
- Range (Pattern) - I was under the impression that the Range pattern was synonymous to Wild.. Is this incorrect?

SIZE:
- Pharaoh (size)- the "standard" size of the birds. Wouldn't this mean that all coturnix are Pharaohs in unless they are Jumbo or A&M?
- Jumbo [brown] (size) - same as the Brown, difference being that the Jumbo is a larger bird
- Texas A&M (size) - same as the English White, difference being that the A&M is a larger bird

COLORS:
- Brown - the "natural" color
- English [White]
- Manchurian [Gold]
- Rosetta [British] - a darker shade of brown.
- Tibetan [Dark British]
- Orange and Red Tibetans : To verify, these "reds" and "oranges" are just Tibetans and Rosettas. I
hope others will look into this, but the reds look to be Tibetans [Dark British] and the oranges Rosettas [British].
- Fawn - from what I have gathered: this color is a dilution/mutation of the brown color? From what it seems people also call this color blonde.
- Tuxedo - (a single dose of pied genes) common name for a pied quail. No standard pattern for this variety but can come in many variations (e.g. hooded and bibbed tuxedos)
- Red Golden [or Cinnamon?] - like Omniskies I really can't find anything on this color. However, what I have found in description these birds are described as having a Cinnamon color. Are Red Golden and Cinnamon synonyms names for the same color


Was looking around Google and found the Coturnix Fanciers and Breeders Club, anyone here a member? Saw these two birds and are wondering what colors they are:
Quail 1 and Quail 2. They're calling Quail 2 a "Blonde." What is the difference (if any) between Blonde and Fawn?



I spend most of my day normally on the computer doing work (copies, errands, putting up posters and flyers) for the Student Involvement office at my university and running errands back-and-forth all over campus. Quail colors are a nice change of pace. Please remember I am not an expert by any means, more so an enthusiastic newb.

 

[adubsroit]

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YES!! <3 you for all the patience and more for all your info. Newbs need people like you!!

 

[Stellar]

Blond is a term someone used as a made up name for fawn. Orange and reds...where are you getting this????????

 

[Omniskies]

I think the Quail Lady has already gone above and beyond what I had thought was already done. She also has a Red Golden posted on her site here: http://www.stellargamebirds.com/Japanese-Quail-Mutationsnewpage.html and I believe it is also called Cinnamon.


A&Ms are to English Whites what "Pharoahs" are to Jumbos. I don't see them as a true size difference. However, having a standard for what is truly considered a Jumbo would be nice. Someone is selling quail eggs on eBay right now swearing that a Jumbo is strictly a bird that is 14-16oz+. So what would a 10oz bird be? To me that seems a lot larger than the regular 6oz quail. Are 10-13oz large quail? Are they small Jumbos or giant Standards? Or has the individual who is selling Jumbo quail set the bar extremely high?

Also, I'm hearing a lot of mixed information about the XLD1s. The latest bit is that XLD1s are 0.5oz larger than Jumbos, but that they are taller, so it is a bigger bird that is a little more narrow without as much meat to it. I can't find the full story on XLD1s at all to figure out what in the world they are.

If the English White (small, egg laying) is broken out as a different bird from the A&Ms (the jumbo white), would Italians and Manchurians be separated out as small egg layers and the jumbo variety?

What I have written down, pulling heavily (completely?) from the lovely Quail Lady, is the following:

Brown: Standard
Jumbo Brown: Large standard.
English White: Small white.
A&M White: Large white.
Manchurian: Gold
British Range/Rosetta: Lighter dark bird.
Dark British Range/Tibetan: Darker...dark bird.
Red Golden: Reddish bird.
Fawn: Light with black markings missing.
Tuxedo: Pied bird with white throat/bib/belly.


However, just pointing out the colors isn't going to do much without knowing all of the fun behind the colors - like having a Tibetan that is split to Tuxedo producing Tuxedo offspring. I would love to see someone put up an ad that says specifically that: "Tibetans split to Tuxedos for sale." Taking what Quail Lady already has and expanding on the information from there may be a better idea than trying to classify all of the exotic colors and strains that may be out there. The genetics page she just put up on this forum is fantastic. Now I'm really itching to buy a bunch of the various colors and play around with them.

This is not good for my bank account...

Personally, I'd rather see a full page of information about the ins and outs of breeding Red Goldens than see a few sentences describing the Pink Goldens, Rosey Goldens, and Orange Goldens that such-and-such has stumbled across.

 

[JJMR794]

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YA KNOW MAYBE THIS PROJECT WOULD GO BETTER WITH A BEER?

 

[Omniskies]

I'm starting to notice a beer-trend, JJMR

 

[Stellar]

I am still trying to figure out about the cinnamons...whether they are just another dilute of the pharaoh or not (Shelley and I talked about this early) beer naw, aspirin and coffee as I just spotted one of my Californian valley quail males (missing for two days) on a tree..now how to get him back. Note: he flew the coop because of a butterfly sighting

 

[Omniskies]

Get another butterfly to lure him back

Quail Lady, if the English White (small, egg laying) is broken out as a different bird from the A&Ms (the jumbo white), would Italians and Manchurians be separated out as small egg layers and the jumbo variety? Or, well, possibly be broken out that way. Or would there just be Manchurians and Jumbo Manchurians?

 

[Stellar]

Darn booger. Still on the tree. closer but just giggling.

The UK calls the Manchurian Golden
"Italian" but in my opinion if there two types, shouldn't it just be Jumbo Manchurian Golden like the Jumbo Brown. The Pharaoh is used for eggs, the Jumbo for meat...so the Manchurian golden used for eggs and the Jumbo Manchurian Golden for meat? Unless the maroon heads are the Res head color gene??

 

[Omniskies]

Sneak up on him at night with a flashlight. They never expect the flashlight.

That's what I was wondering. However, we have the English White and the A&M White - not the English and Jumbo English. So I wasn't sure whether Italian/Manchurian or Manchurian/Jumbo Manchurian.