A Little Rifle Help, Please (Purchased Gun w/ PICS!!! Pg 12)

[bluey]

I'm the original OP and I live in a rural location where blasting away is just fine

A second bluie has also posted on this thread. He lives in the suburbs and should be considering traps. I agree with him that submersing the trap in a barrel of water should be the most effective method in an area where discharging firearms is illegal.

Nautical Buoy
Thanks for the information. I found it very helpful!

To review, my current rifle is this model:

Savage Mark II 22LR and I use CCI Mini-mag HP 36 grain hollow point bullets

Can you please explain the main differences between the 22mag and the model I have in layman terms and also, is there a better bullet I can use than my current selection for my model gun?

Also, if the 22mag is much better, is it a good deer hunting rifle? I really would like this purchase to address my deer hunting AND large varmint need.

I would like a common North American model and I'm not interested in anything exotic. Price isn't much of an issue on the gun but more common less expensive ammo would be preffered.

 

[Davaroo]

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22 mag is more powerful. Like near double. It has a longer cartridge length and so needs specially chambered guns.
I think CCI makes a Tri Shok round or something like that, a ultra high velocity round which has a frangible bullet (meaning it breaks apart on impact).
The .22 Mag is NOT a good dear round - the best combo choice for deer and raccoon is the .243. Everyone makes a rifle for it and ammo is plentiful almost everywhere.

 

[Jaybr]

The .22 magnum has a longer case then the .22 long rifle, which allows more powder for much higher velocity. The bullet is basically the same.

Your choice of .22 rounds is very good, you may want to try out the CCI segmented hollow point.

Now we're talking deer rifle and not short range varmint rifle, which changes things a good bit. The .22 magnum is not a good deer round, in fact it does not meet the legal requirements to hunt deer here in VA, not sure about PA.

How far do you want to shoot deer? 100 yds, 200, 300, 400+

There are a lot of good deer rounds and everyone has an oppinion. .243, .270, 30-30, 30-06, 308, are the most common

 

[bluey]

Thanks guys, all good info. I'll probably pick up either a .243, 30-30 or 30-06, because I'd like the second gun to be my primary deer rifle.

 

[can you hear me now?]

here is an idea for a rifle. I just bought one myself. It is a New England rifle that hs two barrells. Now it is only a single shot but if you don't miss that isn't an issue anyway. Mine came with a .243 barrell and also a .25 .06, which is also very effective for deer as far as knockdown power goes.

 

[Oblio13]

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I've shot lots of deer with both. Deer run a few yards after a heart/lung shot with either. (As I posted earlier, the only instant kills are from a hit in the upper central nervous system - brain or upper spine.) The biggest difference between the two is that a .243 doesn't usually leave much of a blood trail. Very often I'll find the bullet under the hide on the far side, with no exit hole. A .308 or .30-06 tends to punch all the way through and leaves much more of a trail.

Last fall's moose, with a .30-06:

This buck was taken last fall with a .243, and a second with a .270:

A 'bou from two years ago, with my all-around favorite round, .308:

 

[bluey]

Nice pics Oblio! I love show and tell.

 

[nautical_bouy]

I have to mow 5 acres so my quick post is the 7.62 Nato is 51 mm long, the russians are 39 and 54 mm long, and our old 30-06 is 63mm, with some diffrence in diameter that affects case volume. the ruski 54 is slightly ahead of the 308 and can't enter the class of the old 06, our calibers have many choices, the eastern bloc doesn't.

still over kill for a coon and you will have a tough time cross chambering any of them.


Bluey, I'll answer your other question after I burn 50 dollars of diesel,,,lol

I have to add, a deer shot with the correct bullet from one of our modern firearms will fall over,, if someone has a deer run and shot them with a 30-06 I'll lay money it was with a 180 grain bullet and behind the shoulder, with no bones hit.

I could hunt deer with my .458Lott,,,then I'd have to hand load a light bullet that works on light skinned animals.

One needs to match caliber, velocity, and bullet weight for the animals being harvested.

To the person stating all deer run,, your doing something wrong, thats not busting your chops, the animal deserves better and your statements fuel the anti hunters when the only time I ever hear of a deer running your stated distance was with a bad shot or bad bullet choice and the guy that did it feels bad,,,, put some 150 Sierria's over 57 grains of 4831, shoot the boilerhouse and watch them fall over,, or just buy the Federal classics loaded that way, you owe it to the deer.

 

[Jaybr]

Rifles aren't allowed where I deer hunt, shotgun only with buckshot. The deer are almost allways running full blast too, as we hunt with dogs. 00 buckshot does just fine and knocks most deer off their feet and they usually don't get back up. I took 5 deer with buckshot last year and only had to track one of them, a large buck. The other 4 dropped in their tracks with one shot.

I also hunt the early blackpowder season and they never run off with 240 gr jhp in front of 150 gr of pyrodex.

With the bow they run a ways.

 

[Davaroo]

can you hear me now? :

here is an idea for a rifle. I just bought one myself. It is a New England rifle that hs two barrells. Now it is only a single shot but if you don't miss that isn't an issue anyway. Mine came with a .243 barrell and also a .25 .06, which is also very effective for deer as far as knockdown power goes.

This is escellent advice the New England rifles are a good value and have one of the best triggers out of the box.
They are single shots so you gotta be a good shot!​