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A question of ethics/conscience.

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by sarahssizzles, Nov 2, 2009.

  1. sarahssizzles

    sarahssizzles In the Brooder

    Nov 7, 2007
    Cave Creek
    Hey All;

    I love the big feathered head Silkie look but lately I think I’m having a crisis of conscience. I recently almost lost a really beautiful hen to dehydration because she couldn’t see the water dish. I had trimmed her crest but …got busy, didn’t keep trimming, didn’t realize she still didn’t have enough visibility..what ever the excuse, she almost died. She’s doing better now but I’m questioning the responsibility of breeding animals that couldn’t survive with out human intervention. I’m not just talking about dependency because they were raised being fed & protected. I’m questioning developing a breed, any breed that can’t breed on it’s own, or deliver it’s prodigy by it’s self or see it’s food so it doesn’t starve to death. As a former breeder of show dogs I have seen this happening for years in that field (ie: bulldogs, Neapolitan mastiffs, etc) . It’s one of the reasons I don’t play those games anymore. Now I breed chickens, actually a new breed called Sizzles (SilkiexFrizzled Cochin) & here I am, with choices to make.

    I know, it’s Monday, is it really the right time for deep philosophical questions? For me that’s a Saturday night over the campfire with good friends & a good bottle of your favorite indulgence kind of question but, here I am, seeking clarity.

    Anyone got any opinions, …practical idioms, …..words of wisdom, ,… ?????


  2. Krys109uk

    Krys109uk Songster

    It must be entirely peronal choice. Personally, I don't have anything to do with any breeds which have the possibilty of cerebral hernia, associated with crests, or cannot breed naturally, have lethal genes etc.etc.etc.
  3. Country Heart

    Country Heart City Girl With A

    I'm new to all this, but you bring up an interesting issue.

    Mmm... I guess I would have to say if you are a breeder - your actions directly impact the way the breed is developing. Maybe you could choose to develop a new take on an old breed? Innovation has to start somewhere.

    Looking forward to comments from others - thanks for the post. [​IMG]
  4. Camelot Farms

    Camelot Farms Chickenista


    I'll be watching this one for input. Im curious about this also....
  5. halo

    halo Got The Blues

    Nov 22, 2007
    My Coop
    I may be incorrect about this, but I believe most critters find food and water from smell, not sight.
  6. HeelerDawg

    HeelerDawg Songster

    Dec 23, 2008
    Most poultry breeds are great at finding food or water, but some are exceptions to the rules like silkies,polishes, and smaller picky breeds who are physically incapable of venturing around.

    The breeds that I have found to be the best at taking care of themselves and their young is by far, American Games. You can allow them to free range on thier own and not have to worry a bit about them, if you have enough property that is.
  7. Kev

    Kev Crowing

    Jan 13, 2008
    Sun City, California
    Most birds have either no or very weak sense of smell, relying on sight as the primary sense.. which is different from mammals in general.

    IMO the problem is the crest and beard combination. Birds with huge crest but no beard OR a beard/muff that is well separated from the crest don't have as much problem.

    Birds with the beard/muff actually meeting the crest often have a severe vision impairment. I think the answer is encouraging better separation of the beard/muff from the crest.

  8. fla_native

    fla_native Songster

    Jul 1, 2009
    Haines City Fla
    I personally avoid breeding anything, flora or fauna, that cant fend for itself, breed naturally, or otherwise function without intervention from humans.That being said, how far does one carry that line of reasoning?
    A good example would be peoples aversion to aggressive roosters! We all have a tendency to "cull" aggressive males when in a natural state these males would be the most beneficial to a flock.

    Another example of (in my mind) improper culling is the inordinate number of breeds that will not go broody. That certainly is not a natural state, do the math!
    Last edited: Nov 2, 2009
  9. Pathfinders

    Pathfinders Crowing

    Jan 25, 2008
    Northern KY
    Quote:I'm with Krys on this one. In fact, I just got out of Silkies this fall because of this issue. The current show room trend is to have birds so heavily crested that they cannot see to get out of their own way. Now, I know you can put hair tape on them to pull the crests up, but I don't really want to spend my time doing that.

    I also find that Silkies, with their vaulted skulls, are prone to "crookneck", and after trying to nurse one bird through that decided I wouldn't be doing that again. Don't get me wrong, I think they're lovely birds, and my kids adored them. But they're not the sharpest tools in the shed (they will sleep in the corner where it's leaking!) and I draw the line at AI, just not going to do that.

    So what Krys says...
  10. Junkmanme

    Junkmanme Songster

    It is a matter of personal choice and personal adjustment, I think.

    There are folks who cannot kill and eat a chicken that they have raised to be a very healthy chicken, yet they are content to purchase and consume chickens from the Supermarket that have been raised in "less-than-optimum" conditions.

    I guess it just depends on "whose ox is being gored.......and who does the goring."

    In short, this is purely a matter of personal choice and may have nothing to do with ethics.....but only an individuals philosophy and therefore "conscience" (It is interesting to note that the word is: con-science) Go figure.

    Purely a personal matter....in my opinion. I don't believe the question truly has a "universal answer". (just as many other things in LIFE.)


    -Junkmanme- [​IMG]

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