Advice needed on introducing new flock member to a grieving hen before winter. Ostrich died of...

[Crow craftsman]

Hi, everyone! Basically, the sad tale goes like this:
I had 3 chickens, ostrich, dodo and emu the rooster. Emu bit me and bit ostriches comb in half, so we gave him away. So life was good, i had two young hens who were laying daily. Till suddenly ostrich got sick, slowly by slowly, as in no appetite, not drinking much water, lethargy, runny green poo, and a bit of fever. Im a busy fellow, im still kicking myself for not having noticed her sooner in my flock of 2 birds, but i let it slide till the weekend. Then loading her into the car, she started panting and gasping, like really long doggy panting. I felt it was the heat, gave her water, but she was having a hard time breathing. The vet, curse her, barely looked up at poor ostrich, just mumbled some meds and waved us away. I got home, gave ostrich water, ate lunch and was just about putting together the antibiotics when.... she has a seizure and turns over and dies. Im really sad about all this, first year having chickens and ive got just 1 third of my flock left. I buried her deep, planted mint and coleus cuttings over her. Im already through dodo being quarentined, comforted, monitored etc, and the coop got dusted and sprayed with chlorine bleaching powder to disinfect from the coccidia, and that subsequently scared up all the worms in the area. Im still beat up from not realizing the coccidiosis symptoms, my birds have had similar as chicks (minus the wheezing and gasping) and a few meds fixed them up, so i thought it wasnt too big, till it was big enough to have her buried. But i thought wheezing wasn't a symptom of coccidiosis, no? Idk, i really not glad about that stuff.

So now i have dear old dodo, the ironical named little survivor, still laying eggs and no sign of illness. I felt she was having a bit of raspy noises lately, though, scared my pants off because i thought she'd start panting too, so i rung up a good home vet, and now poor gal is on meds again. These nepali vets, needless to say, vary wildly, the goverment ones are too busy to think straight generally, but ive found a good home vet and im glad. But woe, this happened right during our dashain festivities, and right before my travels! So now dodo and her meds are bring taken care of by neighbors and the home help, but dodos egg song has been getting longer and sadder daily, shes extra lonely. I need to get her an adult chicken friend, though i have zero experience with buying and introducing adult birds, and the winter is approaching fast, me with a crummy coop needing urgent renovations after its first monsoon.

So, in general, where should i get my chicken from? I got gifted some chicks or pullets in the spring, idk where from, obviously not the healthiest bunch, as ive spent more time in the vet hospital than folding my clothes this year. I want to get 2 new pullets in the spring, at the same age i got this bunch, around 4 weeks old. But for now, dodo needs a friend, and idk what to do. Ill need to quarantine, i have the facility for that, but what about introducing, what if they fight? How can i tell how old a bird is by looking at her? How do i train her to be used to me handling and coddling her, the pullets had all the time to experience and enjoy that, but a hen raised in rough poultry meat shops ( like most citychickens in nepal are) wont be used to it. Pls, somebody reply soon! Has anyone else had similar experiences, has know-how on sickness and chicken flock dynamics in general, do let me know!

 

[Mother of Chaos]

Quick questions (and it's been a long day for me, and my brain has gone kersplat):

Question 1: I ?think? you had three birds/ poultry?

And maybe you have/had:

- 1 male emu, given away after going human aggressive
- 1 ostrich, who sadly died of (possibly) coccidia
- 1 something-else, maybe a chicken, who is maybe named Dodo? (Definitely not a dodo breed, which went extinct from the island of Mauritius)

Or maybe you only had three chickens, named Emu, Ostrich, and Dodo? (In English, we commonly use a capital/ upper-case letter at the beginning of a named person or animal.)

Question 2: It looks like you're from Nepal. Do you currently live there, or you are originally Nepalese, and live elsewhere? If so, where do you live now? -asking only because local climate can affect checkin-raising.

Question 3: If Dodo the Survivor is a chicken, just to confirm: you are looking for a replacement or replacements for her lost flockmates, right? If so, I'd be looking at things like:
- How old is she now?
- Is she laying?
^ These two questions help establish what you might be looking for with new chickens.

And a few more:
- Do you know for sure that it was coccidiosis?
- Did she get along well with her other flockmates?
- What breed is she? (or if a barnyard mix, is there a predominant breed)
- How much access do you have to probably healthy pullets (female chickens less than a year old)

I agree with you: spring is a long time for her to wait for new companions. If you could find 2 pullets a bit younger than she, with a reasonable hope that they are healthy, that might be your best bet. Integrating (getting existing chickens used to newcomers) is tough enough one time, but if you got one friend for her now, and then another 1-2 in the spring, that's two integrations to go through.

But she absolutely needs some friends Chickens aren't normally happy going solo.

Again, I apologize for not clearly understanding your post. I've spent most of the day attempting to write up a chemistry lab, and my brain has completely given up.

Thank you for posting, and for wanting the best for Dodo!

 

[rosemarythyme]

Although it will be hard on your remaining bird to be solo, I think you should wait until after winter as you've mentioned the coop needs "urgent renovations" and I wouldn't add any new birds until that's taken care of, or else you're just risking more losses. I would aim to add newly hatched chicks to the flock if at all possible, simply because that's better for biosecurity - if that's not possible then chicks that are as young as you can get, and from a breeder or hatchery that's clean and reputable as possible (I don't know what you have available there but never buy birds that look to be in poor health or are kept in poor conditions).

Also nothing about your description of Ostrich sounds like coccidiosis. So I don't know what she died of but it sounds more like a respiratory issue.

 

[Mother of Chaos]

Although it will be hard on your remaining bird to be solo, I think you should wait until after winter as you've mentioned the coop needs "urgent renovations" and I wouldn't add any new birds until that's taken care of, or else you're just risking more losses. I would aim to add newly hatched chicks to the flock if at all possible, simply because that's better for biosecurity - if that's not possible then chicks that are as young as you can get, and from a breeder or hatchery that's clean and reputable as possible (I don't know what you have available there but never buy birds that look to be in poor health or are kept in poor conditions).

Also nothing about your description of Ostrich sounds like coccidiosis. So I don't know what she died of but it sounds more like a respiratory issue.

Good points from @rosemarythyme!

She is a long-time chicken-keeper, so I would always go with her judgments whenever they conflict with my random squawkings.

 

[rosemarythyme]

Good points from @rosemarythyme!

She is a long-time chicken-keeper, so I would always go with her judgments whenever they conflict with my random squawkings.

Nothing wrong with your advice (though I too got confused in thinking an ostrich was being housed with an emu and... a dodo?) But given that winter is coming, possibly the set up needs work, and maybe there's some illness at play too... I wouldn't want to bring in more birds until conditions were more favorable.

 

[Crow craftsman]

Quick questions (and it's been a long day for me, and my brain has gone kersplat):

Question 1: I ?think? you had three birds/ poultry?

And maybe you have/had:

- 1 male emu, given away after going human aggressive
- 1 ostrich, who sadly died of (possibly) coccidia
- 1 something-else, maybe a chicken, who is maybe named Dodo? (Definitely not a dodo breed, which went extinct from the island of Mauritius)

Or maybe you only had three chickens, named Emu, Ostrich, and Dodo? (In English, we commonly use a capital/ upper-case letter at the beginning of a named person or animal.)

Question 2: It looks like you're from Nepal. Do you currently live there, or you are originally Nepalese, and live elsewhere? If so, where do you live now? -asking only because local climate can affect checkin-raising.

Question 3: If Dodo the Survivor is a chicken, just to confirm: you are looking for a replacement or replacements for her lost flockmates, right? If so, I'd be looking at things like:
- How old is she now?
- Is she laying?
^ These two questions help establish what you might be looking for with new chickens.

And a few more:
- Do you know for sure that it was coccidiosis?
- Did she get along well with her other flockmates?
- What breed is she? (or if a barnyard mix, is there a predominant breed)
- How much access do you have to probably healthy pullets (female chickens less than a year old)

I agree with you: spring is a long time for her to wait for new companions. If you could find 2 pullets a bit younger than she, with a reasonable hope that they are healthy, that might be your best bet. Integrating (getting existing chickens used to newcomers) is tough enough one time, but if you got one friend for her now, and then another 1-2 in the spring, that's two integrations to go through.

But she absolutely needs some friends Chickens aren't normally happy going solo.

Again, I apologize for not clearly understanding your post. I've spent most of the day attempting to write up a chemistry lab, and my brain has completely given up.

Thank you for posting, and for wanting the best for Dodo!

Hi, thanks for the advice! Wow, got good laughs out of the ostrich-emu-dodo thing! Sadly, the only ostriches and emus here are in the zoo, with not even a bone of a dodo in the whole of nepal, i meant i have 3 chickens with goofy names, and i know, i should put capital letters in the start of names, but im lazy to even punctuate.

So, about the questions, yes, dodo is laying well and fine, i love eating her eggs daily!
I am indeed Nepali and i live in Nepal, and theres not much in the way of city chicken raising, whereas out in the villages the chickens are basically wild birds who climb up a tree to sleep. The vet services and options are total cr@p out here, just a dingy government run hospital and a bunch of unknown private clinics. Most chickens in the city are kept in tiny, dirty cages, kept alivevjust to keep the meat fresh, and ofcourse theres the dashain festival, where they're sacrificed along with buffaloes, goats, ducks, you name it. So i guess my dodo is a lucky bird, getting a garden coop and all.

Im not sure what breed any chickens are, here a chicken is known as either a broiler or a local, and dodo is a local, but that certainly doesnt narrow it down, i think shes just a mix of everything. I have seen some beautiful austrolorps (i think thats what the black and white spotty chickens are called, right?) For sale somewhere last dashain, would love some of those.

Yes, i feel fairly sure it was coccidiosis, because my birds have had a mild infection of it before, and i can tell the green poo, lethargy, lack of appetite, etc. What really puzzles me is the panting and the seizure, tho, a neighbor says it could have died from being stressed from the constant monsoon rain, probably unlikely, and someone says it could be sour crop, but i really feel like it was coccidiosis.

Yes, dodo got along great with her other flockmates, likely the most well behaved of the bunch because emu was picking on ostrich and ostrich was making egg songs back then louder than any rooster ever born, dodo was your regular chicken. Later once emu was gone, she became boss of the flock of two, and ostrich usually let her get to the food first, though ostrich was biggest and bossiest when they were all young, dodo was way bigger and stronger thsn her later on.

I dont know, i feel like i have a few contacts that can supply good pullets, but i cant be sure, there aren't many chickens on the market these days after the dashain is over, before that there was plenty.

Yes, i think i might go with this advice for 2 winter pullets, but will they need heating or anything? I dont really have the funds for some fancy heating lamps or anything, i plan on insulating my coop and putting a bottle of warm water in there at night, will that work? I would rather have young birds actually, an older hen might be hard to tame and she might not be used to being touched or even being with other birds at all, you can never really tell chicken's backgrounds here from the sellers. I didnt think about the double integration thing, thanks for the idea to do one! I dont have a final plan yet, but dodos getting lonely, so ill be doing it soon!

 

[Crow craftsman]

Although it will be hard on your remaining bird to be solo, I think you should wait until after winter as you've mentioned the coop needs "urgent renovations" and I wouldn't add any new birds until that's taken care of, or else you're just risking more losses. I would aim to add newly hatched chicks to the flock if at all possible, simply because that's better for biosecurity - if that's not possible then chicks that are as young as you can get, and from a breeder or hatchery that's clean and reputable as possible (I don't know what you have available there but never buy birds that look to be in poor health or are kept in poor conditions).

Also nothing about your description of Ostrich sounds like coccidiosis. So I don't know what she died of but it sounds more like a respiratory issue.

Hi, thnx for the advice! I really get nervous with small, young birds, tho, and as i said i got my pullets in the spring because i dont have heating lamp facilities here, even the brooder that my birds grew up in bounced between being a cardboard box, a wooden box and a big finch cage.
I know, it reallybseems like respiratory issues, but the green poo? The vet didnt say a thing, just gave us some meds and hustled us off, so idk what the diagnosis is, folks here usually just let their birds heal themselves, guess my birds' immunity systems are off and the vets are terrible or smth....

I dont know, dodo really does seem lonely, shes quavking and squawking and singing all the time, feeling alone, i think, idk if shell hold up till spring without a friend.
By renovations in the coop, i meant im going to get a new, tall coop made so i can fit inside easily, but in terms of hygiene its not the fault of the coop, just the dampness and humidity around here, i will say the current coop is a bit small, tho...
I will have to reveiw the situation and figure it out soon, thnx!

 

[OneLostHen]

If the new pullets are fully feathered, they wont need supplemental heat.

It sounds like a respiratory issue to me as well. I thought the symptoms of cocci were bloody poo, standing all puffed up and lethargy. Sneezing and gasping could be so many other things. Hard to tell.

 

[Yardmom]

Green poop is can simply be from not eating.