I mean that they would not be competitive. I suppose they might be okay in a very small show where the only birds entered came out of hatchery stock, or if they were the only ones. But I have been to many, many shows in my time and this one would have a shot at BV or BB only in one or two of them.. It doesn't help the breed to show crappy birds. Also, the second one has an orange spot on this knob..