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Ok everyone seems to agree the pattern gene is needed to produce true lacing . I have considered dropping blue due to these debates on blue . Too much controversy . I will list some questions and some of my doubts . I look at blue laced red Wyandotte and wonder why they are blue laced and not black laced red . They have the coveted pattern gene and blue . So what's up ? To me that proves the pattern gene is not the answer . With so many laced varieties in Wyandotte why are their blues not known for excellent lacing . Everyone agrees blue Andalusian have the best lacing so it must be the pattern gene . I ask myself where is the proof in test breeding or DNA ? I have not seen the proof if it exists . I suspect other black enhancing genes are creating this effect . Mike Gilbert used a well laced blue Sumatra to put the lacing into his blue bantams . He told me he suspected they had the pattern gene . I believe the blue Andalusian and blue Sumatra crosses will get the lacing established . I doubt the pattern gene will produce the desired results . I tinkered some with Wyandotte crosses and saw no improvement in lacing . I still say fussing over silver and gold and E or ER based plus pattern gene is going to hurt the blue popularity in the long term . I truly hope I am wrong .
 


Here are some Wyandotte crosses F1 from a few years ago . Even with 1 copy of PG there is some lacing . Do your own test . Put a splash or blue over some silver laced hens . Show me the lacing you get . The pullets you hatch will have no silver . So you will be able to see if PG helps . I would bet no .
 
Here are some Wyandotte crosses F1 from a few years ago . Even with 1 copy of PG there is some lacing . Do your own test . Put a splash or blue over some silver laced hens . Show me the lacing you get . The pullets you hatch will have no silver . So you will be able to see if PG helps . I would bet no .
Jerry I am glad you remain active on this thread. Always interesting insight and ALWAYS some pretty cool projects going on. What color Ams did you use to get those colors in F1.... and did you carry out anything past F1. I know this isnt the forum for this type of discussion so please feel free to PM me. Very cool .
 
Ok everyone seems to agree the pattern gene is needed to produce true lacing . I have considered dropping blue due to these debates on blue . Too much controversy . I will list some questions and some of my doubts . I look at blue laced red Wyandotte and wonder why they are blue laced and not black laced red . They have the coveted pattern gene and blue . So what's up ? To me that proves the pattern gene is not the answer . With so many laced varieties in Wyandotte why are their blues not known for excellent lacing . Everyone agrees blue Andalusian have the best lacing so it must be the pattern gene . I ask myself where is the proof in test breeding or DNA ? I have not seen the proof if it exists . I suspect other black enhancing genes are creating this effect . Mike Gilbert used a well laced blue Sumatra to put the lacing into his blue bantams . He told me he suspected they had the pattern gene . I believe the blue Andalusian and blue Sumatra crosses will get the lacing established . I doubt the pattern gene will produce the desired results . I tinkered some with Wyandotte crosses and saw no improvement in lacing . I still say fussing over silver and gold and E or ER based plus pattern gene is going to hurt the blue popularity in the long term . I truly hope I am wrong .

Jerry, I thought you were working on a Blue Andalusian cross to obtain good lacing. Am I wrong?, I could have sworn it was you.
 
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Ok everyone seems to agree the pattern gene is needed to produce true lacing . I have considered dropping blue due to these debates on blue . Too much controversy . I will list some questions and some of my doubts . I look at blue laced red Wyandotte and wonder why they are blue laced and not black laced red . They have the coveted pattern gene and blue . So what's up ? To me that proves the pattern gene is not the answer . With so many laced varieties in Wyandotte why are their blues not known for excellent lacing . Everyone agrees blue Andalusian have the best lacing so it must be the pattern gene . I ask myself where is the proof in test breeding or DNA ? I have not seen the proof if it exists . I suspect other black enhancing genes are creating this effect . Mike Gilbert used a well laced blue Sumatra to put the lacing into his blue bantams . He told me he suspected they had the pattern gene . I believe the blue Andalusian and blue Sumatra crosses will get the lacing established . I doubt the pattern gene will produce the desired results . I tinkered some with Wyandotte crosses and saw no improvement in lacing . I still say fussing over silver and gold and E or ER based plus pattern gene is going to hurt the blue popularity in the long term . I truly hope I am wrong .
I don't much know what I am talking about...just parroting what I have read on this because I would like to see true lacing on our blues. It seems that the genetic folks agree with you though..it takes more than Pg alone..
 
I don't much know what I am talking about...just parroting what I have read on this because I would like to see true lacing on our blues. It seems that the genetic folks agree with you though..it takes more than Pg alone..
The assumption that blue will not affect the black lace seems incorrect . So we are back to producing lacing without Pg . I think the Sumatra worked for Mike due to other enhancers of black . Sumatra are very black . I have encountered this extra black in dog breeding . In beagles there are black headed bluetick that have a extra dose of black . When you add the dilution for red you get a chocolate red that is darker than the usual red beagle .
 

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