Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[heatherscooby77]

You might find you don't get a whole lot of support from the Ameraucana breeders here since we are the ones objecting to the use of the name "Ameraucana" with non-standard birds.

This thread is not just about "advanced learning". We simply insist that it remains about Ameraucanas.

To help with this issue I have decided to open another Ameraucana breed thread that will hopefully cover a broad spectrum of issues that surround this breed. I am fairly new to the breed and will need help from others to make this work. I have been told that this thread is mainly focused on discussing APA-standard birds which is absolutely fine. Since this is the main "sticky" Ameraucana thread, newcomers to the breed don't understand that it is an advanced place of learning focused very controlled breed specifics. Is there anyway to change the title of this thread to specifically state that? As it is now, the title does not reflect the topics discussed. I am beginning to understand that frustration of the long-time subscribers. But you are right, ignoring the topic altogether just alienates new people from becoming involved with the breed. Maybe having two different threads where like minded people frequent will help relieve some of the tension on here. I will post the link to the other thread on here and see what happens.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...-discussed-apa-non-standard-and-project-birds

This thread is also about project colors. If you know the birds parentage, and you are striving toward a goal, its still an Ameraucana!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't know the parentage, and you have a bird with all different colors on it (not standard) its and EE!!!!!!!!!!! Like I have said before MOST of the Ameraucanas traits are Dominant, that is why when you mix breeds, you get birds that look like Ameraucana (EE). EE are birds with unconfirmed parents, culls from a project (because they don't conform to standard, or desired standard), and mixes. Its not rocket science.

Royce has birds that he has breed to have a white egg, to remove the brown gene modifiers to eventually get to a bluer egg. He had a goal, so because his bird laid white eggs doesn't mean its an EE!

Jean has breed out to Orpingtons a couple of years ago or currently for a lacing project on blues. Guess What? She had a cross that looked just like an Ameraucana............ Beard, muffs, pea comb, white skin, slate legs, the whole nine yards.............. She could of shown it, it was so nice looking. Now with this all being said, ethics, and responsibility say to sell chicks from this rooster as such, project birds. I don't know if jean still has him, or what ever happened to that beautiful rooster.

I am perfectly nice to newbies, I am usually nice to people I don't agree with, except one time I told BarnGoddess to stop being the EE police. I already told her I was sorry. So someone will eventually answer questions, if it doesn't get answered repeat the question. If someone says sorry this is the wrong thread for you, or directs you to another thread, its to help you. I don't think this thread is elitist. But like I said before, we are also human, and get sick of explaining the same crap. Instead of starting another thread, what I think should be done, is someone needs to create a small blurb that gets copied and pasted every time someone asks the repeat questions, or has pics of EE on the thread.

 

[Basel]

To help with this issue I have decided to open another Ameraucana breed thread that will hopefully cover a broad spectrum of issues that surround this breed. Maybe having two different threads where like minded people frequent will help relieve some of the tension on here. I will post the link to the other thread on here and see what happens.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...-discussed-apa-non-standard-and-project-birds

I am confused how this will be any different from the very popular EE Braggers thread.

I don't think it should be called "the ameraucana thread..." either. Not from any elitist position but from a position that that will confuse the issue more.
You are creating another EE thread.

This thread is for the APA Ameraucana and the project birds being developed by serious breeders. The EE thread is for other colors and mixed breeds. While some innocent new owners of "Americanas" etc that have been fooled by a hatchery do come here, the best thing to do is have a clear answer with information they can read and then learn the difference. Let's have a link with the ABC site link etc. like the one started above to send them to to learn about their new birds.

With all do respect, and I do mean that, I think having another thread that says it's an Americauna thread, but is really an EE thread, is much more confusing to people just learning.

 

[Basel]

This thread is also about project colors. If you know the birds parentage, and you are striving toward a goal, its still an Ameraucana!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't know the parentage, and you have a bird with all different colors on it (not standard) its and EE!!!!!!!!!!! Like I have said before MOST of the Ameraucanas traits are Dominant, that is why when you mix breeds, you get birds that look like Ameraucana (EE). EE are birds with unconfirmed parents, culls from a project (because they don't conform to standard, or desired standard), and mixes. Its not rocket science.

Good post.

Add it to the "Link for Newcomers" started by ReyVaugn [I believe].

 

[CasieD]

As much as we may dislike the constant repetition, this EE/Ameraucana issue is likely never going to go away - especially if we don't take the time to explain it to them in a civilized and convincing manner. Every day somebody is being sold an Easter Egger bearing the name "Ameraucana". Those folks are entitled to an explanation about why we aren't welcoming them warmly and with open arms. By being short with them or even worse, ignoring them altogether, we do come off as a bunch of elitist snobs which I don't think does any of us any favours. Many of us were in the same boat not that long ago and somebody took the time to explain it to us.

Many of the folks that go to the expense and trouble to work with "purebreds" in any species look down their noses at the "mutts" and often object to the breed name being used when the stock isn't worthy. It isn't just Ameraucana folks. We just seem to be more publicly vocal about it. I agree with you, it is GREAT that we have this swanky name, Easter Eggers, to label our non-standard mutts. My egg customers are MUCH happier getting eggs from the EEs and Olive Eggers, and they love seeing all the pretty coloured birds running around the yard. The name "Ameraucana" doesn't mean a thing to them.

 

[Reyvaughn]

I guess my thoughts are a bit to harsh for some people's fine sensibilities. Honestly, I don't rightly give a darn. So, I guess I'd be labeled a snob now. So be it. This thread is a joke anymore and with that, I hope some day people with thick heads finally get it.

I hope some of you don't mind me contacting you to get your opinions and help on my Ameraucanas in the future. I will be sending in for my ABC membership as well. I can't wait to get on the ABC forums so I can continue to learn.

 

[Fyremare]

I am confused how this will be any different from the very popular EE Braggers thread.

I don't think it should be called "the ameraucana thread..." either. Not from any elitist position but from a position that that will confuse the issue more.
You are creating another EE thread.

This thread is for the APA Ameraucana and the project birds being developed by serious breeders. The EE thread is for other colors and mixed breeds. While some innocent new owners of "Americanas" etc that have been fooled by a hatchery do come here, the best thing to do is have a clear answer with information they can read and then learn the difference. Let's have a link with the ABC site link etc. like the one started above to send them to to learn about their new birds.

With all do respect, and I do mean that, I think having another thread that says it's an Americauna thread, but is really an EE thread, is much more confusing to people just learning.

I'm thinking and wishing there was a way to get after the hatcheries to STOP using Ameraucana OR Amer-i-cana to describe a cross bred bird that lays colored eggs. Is there no recourse?

Can THIS existing Ameraucana thread be renamed to include the word PUREBRED in it somewhere? I admit I was one who tortured all the purebred breeders here with the age old, and very tiring subject. I was trying to learn. After hangin' around for a year, and having true breeders help out the novice in me. Now... I admire the pure breeders for sticking to their guns because your experience is important to me. I may never show, but I still want the knowledge of what's needed to produce an excellent type purebred bird. I like to have good stock, I also like to know I have a place to ask questions the questions of a "newbie"... So maybe we need a "Newbie" thread? I dunno the answers, but it IS hard to know what questions I can ask without having to read through thousands of posts... literally tens of thousands of posts!

There is already a project thread, but from what I've read there, most people understand the rules of the purebreds. I hope we can figure this out together. The experienced and the inexperienced both need a good place to go to teach and to learn. So yes, links to repetitive
information is an excellent idea. Then any of us who know where that info is can guide others to it. You sent me to the ABC site, I went, I read, I looked at pictures, and reread and relooked until I'm pretty sure that I "Get It" now. I better, I've picked a color (or two) to breed.

 

[Hangtown Farms]

As much as we may dislike the constant repetition, this EE/Ameraucana issue is likely never going to go away - especially if we don't take the time to explain it to them in a civilized and convincing manner. Every day somebody is being sold an Easter Egger bearing the name "Ameraucana". Those folks are entitled to an explanation about why we aren't welcoming them warmly and with open arms. By being short with them or even worse, ignoring them altogether, we do come off as a bunch of elitist snobs which I don't think does any of us any favours. Many of us were in the same boat not that long ago and somebody took the time to explain it to us.

Many of the folks that go to the expense and trouble to work with "purebreds" in any species look down their noses at the "mutts" and often object to the breed name being used when the stock isn't worthy. It isn't just Ameraucana folks. We just seem to be more publicly vocal about it. I agree with you, it is GREAT that we have this swanky name, Easter Eggers, to label our non-standard mutts. My egg customers are MUCH happier getting eggs from the EEs and Olive Eggers, and they love seeing all the pretty coloured birds running around the yard. The name "Ameraucana" doesn't mean a thing to them.

I agree. Easter eggers and this was my main point.

I'm pretty much a lurker on this thread but am learning a lot about the breed. (if you can get through all of the squabbling) I'm so glad there is going to be another thread for this argument and we can stop beating this dead horse!

I commend all of the experienced breeders on here for their patience.

great photo

Discus what you please. Just don't expect anyone to change their stance. Oh, and then try to explain to the 4-H kid whose bird gets DQ'd at the fair, how the bird they bought as an Ameraucana is but isn't.

I'm thinking and wishing there was a way to get after the hatcheries to STOP using Ameraucana OR Amer-i-cana to describe a cross bred bird that lays colored eggs. Is there no recourse?

Can THIS existing Ameraucana thread be renamed to include the word PUREBRED in it somewhere? I admit I was one who tortured all the purebred breeders here with the age old, and very tiring subject. I was trying to learn. After hangin' around for a year, and having true breeders help out the novice in me. Now... I admire the pure breeders for sticking to their guns because your experience is important to me. I may never show, but I still want the knowledge of what's needed to produce an excellent type purebred bird. I like to have good stock, I also like to know I have a place to ask questions the questions of a "newbie"... So maybe we need a "Newbie" thread? I dunno the answers, but it IS hard to know what questions I can ask without having to read through thousands of posts... literally tens of thousands of posts!

There is already a project thread, but from what I've read there, most people understand the rules of the purebreds. I hope we can figure this out together. The experienced and the inexperienced both need a good place to go to teach and to learn. So yes, links to repetitive
information is an excellent idea. Then any of us who know where that info is can guide others to it. You sent me to the ABC site, I went, I read, I looked at pictures, and reread and relooked until I'm pretty sure that I "Get It" now. I better, I've picked a color (or two) to breed.

I agree that is the main problem. I do not care how they spell it.

 

[Hangtown Farms]

As has been said before, you and everybody else for that matter, are free to call them whatever you want. However, the Ameraucana Breeders Association is VERY clear on the matter and they use the label "Easter Egger" to describe non-standard, non-project birds. So if you show up on a thread about Ameraucanas populated by folks that respect the ABC's position on the subject, you are going to hear them referred to as Easter Eggers.

I seriously believe this topic should be ignored - it really gets under some people's skin. As often as it happens, we should post links to the ABC and the EE thread and tell them to read and then come back when they are done. That should answer all questions they need answered.



Seriously, though, this EE/Am topic is getting old. Like BarnGoddess said, call them what you want. We just may not agree like some of us are fought with over what we call your non-standard Ams.

As a side note, on the Cochin thread, they pretty much call non-standard colors mutts over there - even if they are of pure breeding. At least non-standard Ameraucanas have a pretty name and still have a purpose.

Edited for spelling.

I call them easter eggers and glad you agree. There just seems to be much more of the mislabeling going on now. At least what I can see and glad we mostly agree.

 

[checoukan]

Discus what you please. Just don't expect anyone to change their stance. Oh, and then try to explain to the 4-H kid whose bird gets DQ'd at the fair, how the bird they bought as an Ameraucana is but isn't.

Oh, my been there and done that!

 

[heatherscooby77]

I guess my thoughts are a bit to harsh for some people's fine sensibilities. Honestly, I don't rightly give a darn. So, I guess I'd be labeled a snob now. So be it. This thread is a joke anymore and with that, I hope some day people with thick heads finally get it.

I hope some of you don't mind me contacting you to get your opinions and help on my Ameraucanas in the future. I will be sending in for my ABC membership as well. I can't wait to get on the ABC forums so I can continue to learn.

The ABC forum does not have any of this drama. For now I should say. You never know what the future holds!!!