Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[ChickNmamma]

Quote: Yes. The Blue gene only modifies black, so it only modifies the black in Wheaten, splash would present as black(or blue) and white in the wings and tails and anywhere else that black would be. It does not change the "red" in the Wheaten body color. Splash is not really a white bird with splashes of color - its a black bird with two copies of dilution of black, the splashes are where the two copies didn't wipe out the black. There are no "red" splashes. There may be Red Paints (white bird with splashes of red or tan) but I don't know of any breed with that coloration.

This bird, when paired with a regular Wheaten (the "Black") will produce all Blue Wheatens (kids all get one copy of Blue).

 

[ChickNmamma]

I forgot to metion on here I hatched some BBS bantam eggs from some instate. I got a black (cockerel), blue (pullet), white (pullet), and 2 black AMs x cochin frizzle bantam (got into here breeding pen, whichI was fine with as i have always wanted some frizzles, 1 cockerel 1 pullet, i just call them EEs) Anyways back to the AMs. Is it possible to hatch a compltley white chick from BBS? (i was thinking it was,something to do with recessive white, but I cant remember for sure). The lady I got them from shows and these are from her show stock, one show she just went to one got champion. I will have to post some pics of them when they get bigger. they are around 10 weeks old and still have some growing to do.

Sure, its possible. Is it desirable? Not really to my way of thinking. It means she has a rooster and at least one hen that carry one copy of recessive white, and when paired together will produce 25% white, 25% clean black (or blue) and 50% recessive white carriers, so it will escalate and you will get more and more white from any sibling or parent to sibling crosses.

They may be great birds - but if you don't want to breed White (as well as BBS) you will need to test breed ALL the birds to a white one - and see which ones hatch out 50% white chicks - those are recessive white carriers. You can test your black boy over the white pullet - if half hatch out white then he is a carrier. The blue girl you will need to borrow a white boy.

 

[CCCCCCCCHICKENS]

Sure, its possible.  Is it desirable?  Not really to my way of thinking.  It means she has a rooster and at least one hen that carry one copy of recessive white, and when paired together will produce 25% white, 25% clean black (or blue) and 50% recessive white carriers, so it will escalate and you will get more and more white from any sibling or parent to sibling crosses.

They may be great birds - but if you don't want to breed White (as well as BBS) you will need to test breed ALL the birds to a white one - and see which ones hatch out 50% white chicks - those are recessive white carriers.  You can test your black boy over the white pullet - if half hatch out white then he is a carrier.  The blue girl you will need to borrow a white boy.

ok. thank you for all the info. I eas not planning on reeding bantams. But if i do I will do thr test hatch first. I was just going to show these ones. She is still young, but as far as I can see, everything looks correct on her. Good color, feather and skin. Shr is not clean fced so that is a plus lol. She is my favorite. When i hatched them i didnt even realize i had frizzles until they were 2 weeks old. I hadnt spent much time with them si i did not handle them a lot.

 

[Angelicisi]

Awesome info thanks.

Yes.  The Blue gene only modifies black, so it only modifies the black in Wheaten, splash would present as black(or blue) and white in the wings and tails and anywhere else that black would be.  It does not change the "red" in the Wheaten body color.  Splash is not really a white bird with splashes of color - its a black bird with two copies of dilution of black, the splashes are where the two copies didn't wipe out the black.  There are no "red" splashes.  There may be Red Paints (white bird with splashes of red or tan) but I don't know of any breed with that coloration.

This bird, when paired with a regular Wheaten (the "Black") will produce all Blue Wheatens (kids all get one copy of Blue).

 

[jajeanpierre]

Yes. The Blue gene only modifies black, so it only modifies the black in Wheaten, splash would present as black(or blue) and white in the wings and tails and anywhere else that black would be. It does not change the "red" in the Wheaten body color. Splash is not really a white bird with splashes of color - its a black bird with two copies of dilution of black, the splashes are where the two copies didn't wipe out the black. There are no "red" splashes. There may be Red Paints (white bird with splashes of red or tan) but I don't know of any breed with that coloration.

This bird, when paired with a regular Wheaten (the "Black") will produce all Blue Wheatens (kids all get one copy of Blue).

Thank you.

I have a mix of different colored Ameraucanas that I bought from a serious breeder. I didn't know what I wanted, so bought a variety. After growing them up, I decided I wanted to work with the bbs colors because I think a slash is a very, very pretty color to have in my yard (I showed Shelties and Collies and LOVED Blue Merles, which splash look like). The bbs genetics are pretty easy and straight forward.

I didn't even start to look at the wheaten genetics although I have some because I didn't intend to breed them.

Is this a good book for novices like me? GENETICS OF CHICKEN COLOURS, THE BASICS by Sigrid Van Dort, David Hancox and Friends.

I'm such a novice, I can't even identify the colors when I see them. Yes, I do have the SOP, but that doesn't show every feather pattern or color.

Any other chicken breeding books you would recommend for a novice?

Thanks.

 

[jajeanpierre]

Yes. The Blue gene only modifies black, so it only modifies the black in Wheaten, splash would present as black(or blue) and white in the wings and tails and anywhere else that black would be. It does not change the "red" in the Wheaten body color.

What would a splash wheaten rooster look like? I've done internet searches, but didn't trust the experience/knowledge of the people posting any pictures I did find. Is there a picture somewhere? Thanks.

 

[Angelicisi]

Sold as a 8 month old black ameraucana hen by a semi-local breeder.

I see brown feathers here and there in the neck feathers, nice sheen to the black when the sun hits her, the comb confuses me a bit as it resembles my EEs not my AM's, as does her beard, hers is faded in color and wobbly (makes me think old man lol)
She hasn't laid yet for me so I don't know egg color. Her legs are dark and soles of feet are white.

I think she's coming out of a molt, new feathers are beautiful and have a sheen, old ones are dull.

Is she in fact an AM or a black EE?

Just curious, she's a layer either way not a breeder for me.

 

[dak]

Sold as a 8 month old black ameraucana hen by a semi-local breeder.

I see brown feathers here and there in the neck feathers, nice sheen to the black when the sun hits her, the comb confuses me a bit as it resembles my EEs not my AM's, as does her beard, hers is faded in color and wobbly (makes me think old man lol)
She hasn't laid yet for me so I don't know egg color. Her legs are dark and soles of feet are white.

I think she's coming out of a molt, new feathers are beautiful and have a sheen, old ones are dull.

Is she in fact an AM or a black EE?

Just curious, she's a layer either way not a breeder for me.

It is pretty common for beards to fade to brown. My Blacks take quite a hit from the sun here at a mile high. I think the constant dunking in my very hard water doesn't help either. It should come back nicely when she molts

 

[ChickNmamma]

Quote: I use the chicken calculator to play with the colors, and I have found several websites with great information.

Chicken Calculator:
http://kippenjungle.nl/kruisingKipFlex.html

Genetics:
http://kippenjungle.nl/basisEN.htm#basisEN
http://sellers.kippenjungle.nl/page0.html
http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics

The book mentioned is wonderful - but extremely pricey! I am saving my pennies for someday maybe...

For looking at all different colors of chickens I like this one:
http://www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/php/index.php?title=Bestand:Engels.jpg
Its not exactly in English, but the birds are amazing!

A Splash Wheaten rooster would be white and black where ever there would be black on a regular Wheaten. There were a few pictures of one several pages back.

 

[Angelicisi]

Thanks

It is pretty common for beards to fade to brown.  My Blacks take quite a hit from the sun here at a mile high.  I think the constant dunking in my very hard water doesn't help either.  It should come back nicely when she molts