Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

This is just not true. The pics are owned. They do Not have to be marked. They are not public property to use as pleased, they are viewable. If a pic owner wants it removed they need to be removed. Period. If not websites can be punished even shut down. It's Copywrite infringement.
I understand your frustrations P&P, unfortunately once you post on a public forum, that becomes open to everyone on the Interweb. However morally wrong it is, unless your info and pics were private, there is nothing you can do. I would be happy that a breeder thought your chicken was a good example of the breed... Kudo's to you for raising a healthy guy!
 
Google your own BYC screen name...

Privacy is rare. If you post it, it can be found even after being deleted.

But, it doesn't matter. The pic is automatically protected by law for the photographer no matter what. No one can just use any pics, they DO however...but unless the actual owner sees it and reports it there are no repercussions.

Didn't say it was private, just still the property of the owner of the photograph, a different issue, really, than privacy. My photos are NOT automatically public domain. No one's are.

Go to the coops section on BYC and look in Large Coops for "Clutch Hutch" and you'll find pages and pages of photos of the construction of the original coop and some of the addition, I think. :)  


I recall someone used a photo of a mixed breed rooster I gave to lockedhearts to advertise his Blue Ameraucanas. There was not ONE DROP of Ameraucana or Easter Egger blood in that bird. He was blue, had a pea-single combo comb and an EE type body, but he was Buff Orp rooster over blue bantam frizzle pea combed part cochin hen. If I recall, he also had a photo of my Blue Orp, Suede, in his ad for BBS Orps. BOTH were removed. He thought they were public domain because they were on the web, absolutely NOT true. Not only did he not own the bird, it was not even the breed he was advertising/promoting. Crazy.
 
Google your own BYC screen name...

Privacy is rare. If you post it, it can be found even after being deleted.

But, it doesn't matter. The pic is automatically protected by law for the photographer no matter what. No one can just use any pics, they DO however...but unless the actual owner sees it and reports it there are no repercussions.

That is very true! Nothing is really private. Amazes me how much super personal information people post here on BYC and on FB for the world to see. But, as you say and I've said, photos are the property of the photographer, period. Much abuse goes unreported, though. I still wonder what happened if someone went to see MY coop advertised for sale in Texas, LOL.

BUT, back to the Ameraucana subject! Snow and Nora, both 6 years old now, are currently LAYING! Amazing old hens, they are. Gypsy is 6 1/2 herself and lays sporadically. She's laid a few eggs this month and last.
 
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It is copyrighted the MOMENT she too the picture! You don't have to have any paperwork filed with anyone. It the picture does not belong to you.... you stole it. It is that simple.
DISCLAIMER: Not wanting to make this an argument, lol. But only to share true facts and you got my OCD all riled up. The info below was taken from the U.S.Copyright Office;

“Publication is the distribution of copies or phonorecords of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending. The offering to distribute copies or phonorecords to a group of persons for purposes of further distribution, public performance, or public display constitutes publication. A public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication.” Generally, publication occurs on the date on which copies of the work are first distributed to the public.

A copyright notice is an identifier placed on copies of the work to inform the world of copyright ownership. The copyright notice generally consists of the symbol or word “copyright (or copr.),” the name of the copyright owner, and the year of first publication, e.g.,
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2008 John Doe. While use of a copyright notice was once required as a condition of copyright protection, it is now optional. Use of the notice is the responsibility of the copyright owner and does not require advance permission from, or registration with, the Copyright Office.

*Basically if you don't claim the "above" you can't claim the "below"....

As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright owner.

Where is the public domain?

The public domain is not a place. A work of authorship is in the “public domain” if it is no longer under copyright protection or if it failed to meet the requirements for copyright protection. Works in the public domain may be used freely without the permission of the former copyright owner.

I'm not trying to cause an argument......only helping people get the true facts.
 
A copyright notice is an identifier placed on copies of the work to inform the world of copyright ownership. The copyright notice generally consists of the symbol or word “copyright (or copr.),” the name of the copyright owner, and the year of first publication, e.g.,
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2008 John Doe. While use of a copyright notice was once required as a condition of copyright protection, it is now optional. Use of the notice is the responsibility of the copyright owner and does not require advance permission from, or registration with, the Copyright Office.
So by default photos you take do meet all those conditions - you don't need an explicit notice displayed, and someone taking your picture (without permission) from a location you gave permission to show it (such as BYC) constitutes a 'public display or performance' of your work without your permission (edit: and displaying it on their ebay listing, in this example - didn't specify before that they had to display, but that is what I was talking about). Thus a copyright infringement.
 
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It is copyrighted the MOMENT she too the picture!  You don't have to have any paperwork filed with anyone.  It the picture does not belong to you.... you stole it.  It is that simple.

DISCLAIMER: Not wanting to make this an argument, lol. But only to share true facts and you got my OCD all riled up. The info below was taken from the U.S.Copyright Office;

“Publication is the distribution of copies or phonorecords of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending. [COLOR=FF0000]The offering to distribute copies or phonorecords to a group of persons for purposes of further distribution, public performance, or public display constitutes publication.[/COLOR] A public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication.” [COLOR=FF0000]Generally, publication occurs on the date on which copies of the work are first distributed to the public.[/COLOR]  
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A copyright notice is an identifier placed on copies of the work to inform the world of copyright ownership. The copyright notice generally consists of the symbol or word “copyright (or copr.),” the name of the copyright owner, and the year of first publication, e.g.,
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2008 John Doe. While use of a copyright notice was once required as a condition of copyright protection, it is now optional. [COLOR=FF0000]Use of the notice is the responsibility of the copyright owner[/COLOR] and does not require advance permission from, or registration with, the Copyright Office.   

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As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright owner. 
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The public domain is not a place. [COLOR=FF0000]A work of authorship is in the “public domain” if it is no longer under copyright protection or if it failed to meet the requirements for copyright protection[/COLOR]. [COLOR=FF0000]Works in the public domain may be used freely without the permission of the former copyright owner.[/COLOR]

I'm not trying to cause an argument......only helping people get the true facts.


thanks the pretty much PROVES what I said. PUBLIC DOMAIN and posting something are 2 different things. a copyright expires 75 YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF THE OWNER. then it is public domain and can be used freely by anyone without having to get permission or pay for. the use like a song.
 
I searched for the answer to this on the thread and didn't find it... so I'm going to ask... and show my ignorance. I bought some eggs that were listed as Ameraucana/Easter Eggers. The ad said they were mostly Ameraucanas in the pen but due to space shortage a few other chickens had been added over the winter. Can I assume that the blue eggs are probably Ameraucana? I'm not planning to sell them as such but would like to add some blue layers to my layer pen.
 
I searched for the answer to this on the thread and didn't find it... so I'm going to ask... and show my ignorance. I bought some eggs that were listed as Ameraucana/Easter Eggers. The ad said they were mostly Ameraucanas in the pen but due to space shortage a few other chickens had been added over the winter. Can I assume that the blue eggs are probably Ameraucana? I'm not planning to sell them as such but would like to add some blue layers to my layer pen.
Actually, not really. Many EEs lay blue eggs. I have a couple of them.
 
Actually, not really. Many EEs lay blue eggs. I have a couple of them.
Agreed. ou will just have to wait and see what they look like when they hatch. But if all you want is some blue egg layers wether you get AMs or EEs you will get some blue most likely (not all EEs lay blue eggs:why I said most likely)
 

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