Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[junebuggena]

As far chickens are concerned, chickens don't incubate embryos internally, so I don't think this is applicable. The human DNA transfer occurred in the uterus via the bloodstream, as a result of a male pregnancy. Since embryo development doesn't even begin until several days after incubation begins, I don't think there is a way the DNA could possibly be introduced to the hen's bloodstream.

 

[PapaChaz]

As far chickens are concerned, chickens don't incubate embryos internally, so I don't think this is applicable. The human DNA transfer occurred in the uterus via the bloodstream, as a result of a male pregnancy. Since embryo development doesn't even begin until several days after incubation begins, I don't think there is a way the DNA could possibly be introduced to the hen's bloodstream.

ok I agree with that. That's what I was asking, I promise I wasn't asking if that rooster was always and forever gonna be that hens baby daddy..........

 

[junebuggena]

I have talked to people who honestly believed that about reproduction. Someone wanted to get rid of their purebred, well trained hunting spaniel because the neighbor's Labrador jumped the fence and 'ruined' his chance for purebred pups from her.

 

[PapaChaz]

I have talked to people who honestly believed that about reproduction. Someone wanted to get rid of their purebred, well trained hunting spaniel because the neighbor's Labrador jumped the fence and 'ruined' his chance for purebred pups from her.

Believe it or not, I was told the same exact thing by a dog breeder when I were talking to a couple of them about maybe breeding cocker spaniels from our female. She'd come in heat and been bred by a neighbors lab before I realized it, and when I said something about it to the breeder who was going to bring us one of his studs, he refused saying it would be a waste of time since she'd been bred by a male that wasn't a purebred cocker......

I never bothered after that, he was pretty adamant that the labs bloodline was permanently intertwined with hers through the bloodflow from their puppies. It did kinda make sense, and after reading the above article, I'm not sure he wasn't at least partially right. No idea where he got the information though

 

[junebuggena]

You have to keep in mind, this is trace amounts of DNA. It's not nearly enough genetic information to alter anything. Your Cocker Spaniel is still a Cocker Spaniel. It's not like she got enough DNA to morph her into a half lab, half cocker or anything.

 

[Annababy]

I don't think so.... a gene plus gene is a one time thing. Please help here..

 

[PapaChaz]

You have to keep in mind, this is trace amounts of DNA. It's not nearly enough genetic information to alter anything. Your Cocker Spaniel is still a Cocker Spaniel. It's not like she got enough DNA to morph her into a half lab, half cocker or anything.

oh I agree with that, i think the thought was it could pass into future generations. I'm definitely uneducated when it comes to all that 'this gene mixed with that gene produces _______' but I can see where that Cancer Center article could lead someone to think it's possible in mammals that carry their young and the mom and baby's blood flows together

 

[tigercreek]

click the first sentence in that paragraph that refers to the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center and their study. that's where this came from.

So basically they are saying that a woman can have male DNA once she's given birth to a son, or even if she was pregnant with a son and lost or aborted........I'm assuming it's because of the of the blood flow during the pregnancy. I know just enough about the chicken reproduction process to be dangerous, LOL I do know the yolk is fertilized inside the hen's body cavity, and then is wrapped in the shell. I don't know if that would necessarily give any or enough of the roosters DNA any time of actually 'mixing' with the hens blood/system to actually remain permanent in her body like this article suggests is possible with a woman who carries a child.

anyway, for those who thought me to be completely ignorant of how reproduction works, I promise I'm not. Maybe I just read a little more into what that article was saying than it really said

I think you 'may have read more into the article than was there'....lol...I didn't see anything about transmitting that DNA...only that it was present in the woman's body.....I don't think that means that it is part of her DNA, and so it would not be transmittable. ....lots I don't know about genetics....lol...

 

[jerryse]

I think you 'may have read more into the article than was there'....lol...I didn't see anything about transmitting that DNA...only that it was present in the woman's body.....I don't think that means that it is part of her DNA, and so it would not be transmittable. ....lots I don't know about genetics....lol...

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[PapaChaz]

I think you 'may have read more into the article than was there'....lol...I didn't see anything about transmitting that DNA...only that it was present in the woman's body.....I don't think that means that it is part of her DNA, and so it would not be transmittable. ....lots I don't know about genetics....lol...

well ok, but, if it wasn't 'transmitted' from him to her, then how did it get into her body?


I do agree though it doesn't say anything about her being able to transmit it forward. I still found it to be an interesting article. Good discussion y'all, thanks for that