Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[fowlman01]

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Most other breeds/breeders call them splits when they make these matings. No one seems to call Lavs EE's. I guess they are called EE's here because there are so many EE's being sold as AM's. I can see where there may need to be more diligence to insure the EE's are never called AM's, but you don't see this in other breeds.

Walt

 

[Goose and Fig]

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Most other breeds/breeders call them splits when they make these matings. No one seems to call Lavs EE's. I guess they are called EE's here because there are so many EE's being sold as AM's. I can see where there may need to be more diligence to insure the EE's are never called AM's, but you don't see this in other breeds.

Walt

Right- I am just saying that there is functional difference between splits and EEs, and that being common knowledge amoung Am breeders, we wouldn't call lavenders EEs.
There are many varieties that are being crossed with black to improve type and egg color, but- for example- Illia's buff project. You may get visual EEs in the f1s, but they are split for buff and it is a deliberate "means to an end".

 

[Illia]

Split, though is a bird who is half of something recessive or not expressive to its other half. If the silver pullet was bred to her black father, half will be splits yes and half will be pure Silver.

So if her parents were indeed both Am's, yes, she's a Silver Am and yes breeding her to her father will create 50% Silver Am's. The other 50% will be splits.



Calling something an EE when it comes to actually having Ameraucana behind it is indeed variable by the person. Now this is just my opinion, but I'd call the splits Ameraucanas too - The females will easily pass as such, and the males will partially pass but for some leakage, which though is a DQ, is not rare.

Now if someone crossed a Buff x Silver or Silver x Wheaten that would be a sticky situation.

The offspring would resemble EE's quite a bit and calling them Ameraucanas would be tough, because in a way you're luring more people into thinking that because your birds are colored like their EE's, their EE's must be Ameraucanas. . .

 

[AmCanyonStables]

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So, Illia - that still does not mean I can call her a Silver Ameraucana, does it? I think if I used her for breeding silvers I would still want to call them EEs, right?.
If I could call her a silver am, and I bred her to her father, would I get silver every time? I might do that anyway, as I think they are so pretty, but I would not want to mislead anyone.

Oh, and edited to add - obviously from my other post I have at least one black Am pullet, and 4 blues. If my roo is a silver carrier, can I get silver from the Black pullet, and what about the blues? These are from Pips and Peeps, I think she does not do silver, so they should not be carriers.

It does mean you can call her such. Because both black and silver are just a certain E locus, and most blacks carry silver like Silvers do, she's pure Silver. Duckwings, Silver duckwings especially, are incredibly difficult to get other genes thrown into without messing up the color, and hers looks right to me.

I'd call her and breeding her to other Silvers as Ameraucanas. . . She does lay blue eggs and have slate legs right?

Wait, before I carry on, explain to me again - Is one of her parents an EE or do you just call her an EE because she's a cross of two Ameraucana colors?

To clairfy - the mom was a feed store "Amearacana" - in other words, an EE, but with slate legs, good beard and muffs. The silver does have slate legs, but is not yet laying.
As for size that was mentioned - she is very large so far, compared to her hatch mates which are blue, black, and barred rocks. I guess I was wrong about my pips and peeps chicks - since someone says Jean has Silvers - so maybe I can get some true Am Silvers in the future out of my Bleme roo and the young blacks from Jean.

 

[Illia]

I don't know what really to say there then. She'd pass completely as an Ameraucana, but, the fact that there's EE behind her, who knows what opinions others may have.

I think (my opinion) as long as she doesn't have any more EE traits (yellow soles, wrong egg color, etc) then I'd say she's good to go. She's unrelated to the rest of the Silver Am's out there and I'd imagine she's bigger and calmer too. ?

 

[AmCanyonStables]

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Yes, pretty calm as well.

 

[Midwest Lizabeth]

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Beautiful color! I can't wait. . .still a couple of months before my girls (also Belm wheatens)start laying. Thanks for sharing.

 

[enggass]

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Most other breeds/breeders call them splits when they make these matings. No one seems to call Lavs EE's. I guess they are called EE's here because there are so many EE's being sold as AM's. I can see where there may need to be more diligence to insure the EE's are never called AM's, but you don't see this in other breeds.

Walt

Right- I am just saying that there is functional difference between splits and EEs, and that being common knowledge amoung Am breeders, we wouldn't call lavenders EEs.
There are many varieties that are being crossed with black to improve type and egg color, but- for example- Illia's buff project. You may get visual EEs in the f1s, but they are split for buff and it is a deliberate "means to an end".

Hi Amy,
So would me OExWhAm I got from you be considered an EE?

 

[dixieland]

I am really enjoying this educational discussion!

 

[Goose and Fig]

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Right- I am just saying that there is functional difference between splits and EEs, and that being common knowledge amoung Am breeders, we wouldn't call lavenders EEs.
There are many varieties that are being crossed with black to improve type and egg color, but- for example- Illia's buff project. You may get visual EEs in the f1s, but they are split for buff and it is a deliberate "means to an end".

Hi Amy,
So would me OExWhAm I got from you be considered an EE?

Yes- it was a possibility she could have been all wheaten, but her color gives her away. Did she get yellow feet from the wellie side?

(Jes- you should check out the cochin thread today! )