American serama thread!

[froggiesheins]

I thought that was a frazzled???

Sizzled has one dominant frizzle gene as well as two recessives for silkie featheration.

At least that was my understanding

I am wondering now if frazzled and sizzle are getting confused maybe....Lemme ask my APA/ABA judge friend....to be sure

 

[froggiesheins]

I am wondering now if frazzled and sizzle are getting confused maybe....Lemme ask my APA/ABA judge friend....to be sure

OK PEEPS, just spoke with an APA/ABA judge about this.... Heres the scoop: there is no such "thing or word" frazzle or sizzle in the show world, they are just made up names to identify poor breeding. And it is to be avoided.

 

[Fluffyserama]

Back when I first hatched serama, the population in the U.S was so small that people had a lot of concern about inbreeding. Especially with non standard feather types. I remember being warned away from frizzled seramas because at the time some thought frizzled had a higher % that carried the short leg gene. What are the feelings on potential genetic issues now with the breed 7 years later?

 

[formerchickenlass]

Back when I first hatched serama, the population in the U.S was so small that people had a lot of concern about inbreeding. Especially with non standard feather types. I remember being warned away from frizzled seramas because at the time some thought frizzled had a higher % that carried the short leg gene. What are the feelings on potential genetic issues now with the breed 7 years later?

I'm somewhat new to the breed, coming up on a year with mine. But I'm active in a lot of serama groups and have done tons of reading.

I haven't come across anything suggesting frizzles or silkieds would have a higher percentage of creeper gene. What I HAVE been told is that the smooth whites are too inbred and can exhibit issues with fertility and slow maturation.

 

[formerchickenlass]

Hello everyone! I just got my first Seramas. I have four and they are two weeks old today. I hatched them from hatching eggs I got on Ebay and I am so pleased with them. Each one is a slightly different color, and they are such a cute combination of nosy and cuddly! I have always liked bantams, but these are different from any others I have raised. I just ordered more Serama egg too so I should have more babies in less then 4 weeks if all goes well!

I am hoping to get a male who has a very quiet crow. I have watched a lot of YouTube videos and it seems that some have normal (but maybe higher and a bit quieter) bantam sounding crows, while others have more of squeak than a crow, or crows that are extremely soft. Does the sound and volume of their crow have to do with body size, or does it just depend on the individual?

I live in the city and am technically not supposed to have a rooster, but in reality it seems like the city I am in doesn't care much what you do as long as you pay for your chicken lisence each year and no one complains (roosters = complaining neighbors). So I can't have any normal roosters for sure, because someone would complain, the normal loud "cock-a-doodle-doo" seems to be the kicker. I do have hens who make a racket at times, pigeons whose cooing is louder than you might expect, and a male Red Golden Pheasant who chirps... so I do have a decent amount of bird noise coming form my yard, so as long as it is really quiet, or sounds more like a squawk or a squeak, or even just a "cock-a-..." to blend in with the other sounds, it should be fine. I also thought of keeping him inside the house all/most of the time since I know that is common in Malaysia... I guess I will see when they start crowing! It is just driving me nuts not being able to breed my own chickens or keep any roos when I have broody bantams all the time and an incubator! I know if I have to I won't have a problem selling extras, but I hope I ge lucky!

Congrats on your new babies! <3

There are some roosters who carry a so-called squeaker gene. They were coming out of a line from Bluegrass Seramas. I'm not sure if that person ships birds anymore.

Laura Castle of Castle Delight Seramas has at least one squeaker rooster from that line and has told me it's about 50/50 whether his sons inherit the gene. She sells eggs at a good price, in case you're interested.

Aside from the squeaker gene boys, there's a lot of variation. Most of my boys are high-pitched and pretty loud. Some hurt my ears when I stand next to their cage. And I have two that have a lower, somewhat raspy crow.

If you can tolerate having a rooster in the house, I doubt your neighbors would hear him. I have a robust crow-er currently residing in my work studio, and with earplugs, I don't even hear him in the mornings. Got a nice solid wall between him and my bedroom. I wouldn't want more than one in the house though.

Good luck on your new serama adventure!

 

[froggiesheins]

Back when I first hatched serama, the population in the U.S was so small that people had a lot of concern about inbreeding. Especially with non standard feather types. I remember being warned away from frizzled seramas because at the time some thought frizzled had a higher % that carried the short leg gene. What are the feelings on potential genetic issues now with the breed 7 years later?

Truth be told, Seramas have been in the US since 2001 when they were first imported by Jerry S. of LA.
Have fun on this site and learn all about these darlings!
http://www.scnaonline.org/

As for inbreeding, do your homework, find out the lineage of the the person you are purchasing from, make sure they are not inbreeding any closer than mom to son / father to daughter.
Yes the APA/ABA accepted whites ARE inbred to death (I know I will catch flak for this) and the blacks are being worked on to be accepted into APA so they will be inbred to death as well. So sad...

AND all serama roosters crow....just have to learn to live with in....

 

[formerchickenlass]

My curiousity over the word sizzle stems from my future breeding progarm. I've a beautiful frizzle serama rooster and two young silkied serama pullets that will form a breeding trio. I'm hoping the results will be some "sizzle" silkied frizzle serama offspring.

I hatched a silkied frizzle pullet from an egg I purchased months ago. I imagined I might pair her to a silkied boy & start breeding sizzles, but am having second thoughts now. One thing I notice with this pullet is the quality of her feathering is lower than my other silkieds. Her tail is woefully short, and her curly fur isn't as soft and pleasing to handle. Her feathers in general seem more prone to breakage.

Could be the fault of poor breeder selection or could just be what happens when you stack two abnormal feathering types. I can't say, but just thought I'd share my terribly limited experience. I may try her out anyway, or may sell her as an indoor pet. Haven't decided. She doesn't have great type either so I may also sell her and try again later with nicer birds.

 

[BeefChicken]

Hello everyone. Excited to find this thread still active! So I called a woman about getting 4 serama chicks. Told her no frizzle but anything else was OK just wanted to be able to breed. She was happy to meet me where I was already headed... With my 4 seramas of varying age but still young. She brought 9. Most of you probably know what happened. I took them all. Plus I had just bought a box of 8 assorted banty chicks at the feed store. The seramas protect and nest with the chicks. A couple of the older banty chicks like to tussle and it takes 4 seramas to put one (thrash) in his place but the teamwork makes me smile. I've separated the 3 trouble makers(banty) and peace was restored though one banty peep runs in circles all day driving the seramas nuts till they start pecking at him. Doesn't stop him though, just keeps running laps and taking pecks. I'll post pics later. I'm new, to byc and seramas and will be relying on your help. Thanks

 

[nchls school]

I thought that was a frazzled??? Yes. That was my understanding.

Sizzled has one dominant frizzle gene as well as two recessives for silkie featheration. This is as I thought.

At least that was my understanding

But hotly debated by some. On some threads the term is best left alone.

 

[nchls school]

I hatched a silkied frizzle pullet from an egg I purchased months ago. I imagined I might pair her to a silkied boy & start breeding sizzles, but am having second thoughts now. One thing I notice with this pullet is the quality of her feathering is lower than my other silkieds. Her tail is woefully short, and her curly fur isn't as soft and pleasing to handle. Her feathers in general seem more prone to breakage. 

Could be the fault of poor breeder selection or could just be what happens when you stack two abnormal feathering types. I can't say, but just thought I'd share my terribly limited experience. I may try her out anyway, or may sell her as an indoor pet. Haven't decided. She doesn't have great type either so I may also sell her and try again later with nicer birds. 

Thank you for your response. From what I have experienced, each pairing, regardless of feather type, yields good and bad. Some pairings worse than others. I certainly will keep your experiences in mind as I continue. Again, thank your. Other people's experiences are helpful when considering new territory.