American serama thread!

[pongo]

sue your to frikin funny..... ok so after finding out that you can still show a roo without a sickle feather and its just a point deduction i went out and had a talk with gabby...... sadly it didnt go so well he is losing his tail too.... i hate season changes..... im grooming chocobo now and hoping i can open all those lil pin feathers and make him pretty but darn is it tedious..... ok so looking like im entering a silkied pullet and a blus splash hen.....maybe a fawn laced pullet.....choices choices i have to make

 

[froggiesheins]

OH thats the difference then...I was wondering about that.....but not green legs huh?

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and what is the standard color...?

sorry, but the whole "standardization" of serama colors is dumb... we are the only country doing this... i just posted something like that on the SCNA forum... instead of appreciating their surprise of colors, we're trying to make them into another cookie cutter boring standard bantam here... i for one am never going to breed for color... to make 10-12 different standard colors is destroying the serama breed... what a huge joke it's become over here... they aren't even rare anymore... i see more listings for them on craigslist than silkies... i find more serama at my feedstores than OEGB...

teh lame...
breed for type and that's it...

This whole Serama thing has you all combative, doesn't it? Rest assured, the non-standardized colors will always have a place in the SCNA table top shows, but for them to be accepted by the APA and ABA they have to have standard colors.

 

[ultasol]

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Tip on the feather shafts on those pin feathers- flea combs are wonderful, or GENTLE use of a small furminator. All the birds I showed this weekend in Stevenson were still getting feathers back in from molts, or from getting in adult plumage still (silkies, late to mature).

 

[pongo]

awesome tip ill use the dogs one tomorrow....SUE green legs are still ok hun..... she just has to meet weight

i always wanted a bearded silkie blue splash hen..... darn things are so hard to find and no one ever is giving one away to a good spoiling home

 

[ultasol]

RE non-standard colors:
Have you ever been out to a place where random bird colors have bred together for a long time? The females all start to look the same and there are some colors that dominate- starts to look relatively homogenous anyway. Even when breeding for a 'standard' color fowl there will be those that aren't the correct color.

Showing in the APA and ABA is fun,.. and color is nothing other than an additional challenge which is fun to work towards. If you want to show APA/ABA color standards is part of the package, fortunately or unfortunately.

 

[gumbii]

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and what is the standard color...?

sorry, but the whole "standardization" of serama colors is dumb... we are the only country doing this... i just posted something like that on the SCNA forum... instead of appreciating their surprise of colors, we're trying to make them into another cookie cutter boring standard bantam here... i for one am never going to breed for color... to make 10-12 different standard colors is destroying the serama breed... what a huge joke it's become over here... they aren't even rare anymore... i see more listings for them on craigslist than silkies... i find more serama at my feedstores than OEGB...

teh lame...
breed for type and that's it...

This whole Serama thing has you all combative, doesn't it? Rest assured, the non-standardized colors will always have a place in the SCNA table top shows, but for them to be accepted by the APA and ABA they have to have standard colors.

no...

i'm just tired of all of the hypocrisy...

"yeah we're color blind, who cares about colors as long as it has type!"

"oh wait, it has green legs? feed it to the gators or stuff it in your freezer!"

"yes serama are all different and should be be only judged on type"

"hey everyone, start breeding for color so we can be accepted by the APA/ABA now!"

all on the same thread... no wonder everyone is always confused... when a newb comes along they probably feel like there's a huge inside joke they don't know about...


LOL...

but srsly... it's dumb...

 

[shelleyd2008]

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This whole Serama thing has you all combative, doesn't it? Rest assured, the non-standardized colors will always have a place in the SCNA table top shows, but for them to be accepted by the APA and ABA they have to have standard colors.


Right now green legs is only a deduction at table top shows, but it is supposed to be a DQ eventually. If you showed a white serama with green legs in an ABA/APA show now, it would get DQ'd.

 

[faerielady]

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I was about to put my fingers in my ears and go LALALALALA I JUST WANT SOME COCOAPOPS LALALALALA but to be honest, I just want pretty birds, I thought the Serama breeders here were just breeding for type but more and more convo is coming up about breeding for color. I have no intention of breeding for color (or conformation, to be honest because I won't be breeding at all). You guys are beginning to sound like the other breeding & genetics threads without actually saying that you are going for that.

Don't say that it's all about the type when that's not a true statement. Because it's not. Admit it when you're going to go for color as well as type. That way there's no shame in your game.

Personally, I'm going to unsub from this thread and if I should find some Seramas after my job stabilizes then so be it. But I'm really tired of seeing someone say "Oh this is just bothering YOU" when it's not just one person who is upset, it is just one person who has the guts to write the post.

I'm going to go hang out in threads who don't have people who seem to like harassing other people who have the guts to speak up (and no, Gumbii isn't being the troll, Gumbii is *being trolled*. There's a difference).

 

[froggiesheins]

Well faerielady, I got seramas cuz they are cute..period. If I liked the bird, I got it. I had one baby and I am done "breeding". I just like to play with my adult size Barbie dolls......

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I was about to put my fingers in my ears and go LALALALALA I JUST WANT SOME COCOAPOPS LALALALALA but to be honest, I just want pretty birds, I thought the Serama breeders here were just breeding for type but more and more convo is coming up about breeding for color. I have no intention of breeding for color (or conformation, to be honest because I won't be breeding at all). You guys are beginning to sound like the other breeding & genetics threads without actually saying that you are going for that.

Don't say that it's all about the type when that's not a true statement. Because it's not. Admit it when you're going to go for color as well as type. That way there's no shame in your game.

Personally, I'm going to unsub from this thread and if I should find some Seramas after my job stabilizes then so be it. But I'm really tired of seeing someone say "Oh this is just bothering YOU" when it's not just one person who is upset, it is just one person who has the guts to write the post.

I'm going to go hang out in threads who don't have people who seem to like harassing other people who have the guts to speak up (and no, Gumbii isn't being the troll, Gumbii is *being trolled*. There's a difference).

 

[ultasol]

I'm not trying to troll anyone, so sorry if I upset you. I don't know anything about seramas, I'm speaking as someone who has shown in APA/ABA shows with some success (with breeds other than seramas). I think the key to longevity in a breed is not ONLY the niche markets but working towards a standard against which apples can be compared to apples and oranges to oranges. The APA/ABA system allows that.

For instance,.. if all the seramas were judged just on type without color, those rare colors with poor type might be dropped by breeders who didn't want to work to get type back in a color lacking type. For instance, butterscotch calls. If it weren't for that, as a variety, butterscotch calls are judged against other of the same color how would a breeder know how their butterscotch calls compare against others of the same color? They might not have a chance in heck of being Ch bantam duck against the well established gray or white calls, but within the color you would know the wheat from the chaff with more confidence after a judge looks at them too.