American serama thread!

[artsyrobin]

boaz is his normal chipper self today, shifted him over to only josy, and he actually seemed relieved- i guess the young OEGB might be a bit much?

 

[cluck-cluck]

It's hard to say, In general, if they don't have even a hint of eyeliner or markings and they are pale pale yellow to creamy white, it's a pretty sure thing they are eWh (wheaten) but other genes can interrupt things and make them look different. That makes it really important to keep good records, legbands or whatever to know which ones were hatched with no markings and the more creamy white the better. Mine having the yellowish tint could be better but she's the best so far. Breeding her back to her sire will increase the chances for more like her, and maybe even better but she'll have to make the cut for good type, red ear lobes and yellow legs before I even try. The little one on the lower right has better leg color already so it's always hard to choose who to keep and breed. If I can improve the color in another generation, and the little one with the not so perfect color down is better over all, I'd choose her. The other one could be bred to a brother if he has great type, red lobes and yellow legs. The older chick has yellow legs but they're pale yellow. It's the whole package you have to breed for and wheaten is the next up for acceptance if we can all get some correct wheaten colored with good type, yellow legs and red ear lobes. It's a chore, lol but I love the challenge

That's really cool. I don't think I get to do any breeding, as I don't have the room, but it sure 'nuff is interesting! Here are my almost 2 week olds. The frizzle was almost white (a light creamy yellow) and the one next to it has almost an orange tinge to it's head! It's very interesting, and I wonder what that could be? It had an orangie brownish hue to it's upper side back while being blond everywhere else, no stripes or distinct colors, but the head and shoulders (if it had shoulders) are orange especially at the top of it's head. If you have any idea what that might mean genetically, I'd love to know! Thanks!

Totally off topic, but as I consider you my friends, I just had to share my proud mom moment! My DD Izzy just took 1st place in the junior/senior cadet division for Girl Scout's Community 80 Pinewood Derby. DH is very happy too, as it was a Father/Daughter event. Check out the Hershey Bar Car!

That is totally awesome! Congratulations to Izzy, you and your husband!

boaz is his normal chipper self today, shifted him over to only josy, and he actually seemed relieved- i guess the young OEGB might be a bit much?

Oh, I'm so glad to hear that! I hope he stays that way!

 

[smoothmule]

That's really cool. I don't think I get to do any breeding, as I don't have the room, but it sure 'nuff is interesting! Here are my almost 2 week olds. The frizzle was almost white (a light creamy yellow) and the one next to it has almost an orange tinge to it's head! It's very interesting, and I wonder what that could be? It had an orangie brownish hue to it's upper side back while being blond everywhere else, no stripes or distinct colors, but the head and shoulders (if it had shoulders) are orange especially at the top of it's head. If you have any idea what that might mean genetically, I'd love to know! Thanks!


That is totally awesome! Congratulations to Izzy, you and your husband!

Oh, I'm so glad to hear that! I hope he stays that way!

The one in the front appears to be a wheaten pullet. The one in back, I'm not sure what the extra genes are but I'm betting cockerel.

 

[cluck-cluck]

The one in the front appears to be a wheaten pullet. The one in back, I'm not sure what the extra genes are but I'm betting cockerel.

Your mouth to God's ears! That's the one with a bit of trouble on his rear end (a bit prolapsed still) and if he were a she, I'd be worried about a lifetime of egg binding problems, so if he's a cockerel, it wouldn't matter too much. It's going away slowly, but I'd still be worried about problems laying. So

that you're right

 

[TimSchmelling]

I have looked into the history of serama in the U.S> and have wondered why no one discusses the obvious. Two imports were made into the U.S. of thise breed. One was very small, but the birds themselves were very nice serama. The other import was much larger, but from everything I have seen or heard, these birds were actually a breed called Kapan. This may cause some fallout, but I don't say this lightly. Look at pictures of various "American serama" people have purchased. Look at their form and their size. Then compare them by going to Google pictures and search for Ayam Kapan. We certainly have all been duped!

I believe we have been sold Kapan, not serama, because someone wanted to make a lot of money on the fad without spending it on real serama in an import. I think I threw money in the toilet.

 

[Brookhavens]

Totally off topic, but as I consider you my friends, I just had to share my proud mom moment! My DD Izzy just took 1st place in the junior/senior cadet division for Girl Scout's Community 80 Pinewood Derby. DH is very happy too, as it was a Father/Daughter event. Check out the Hershey Bar Car!

 

[Brookhavens]

I have looked into the history of serama in the U.S> and have wondered why no one discusses the obvious. Two imports were made into the U.S. of thise breed. One was very small, but the birds themselves were very nice serama. The other import was much larger, but from everything I have seen or heard, these birds were actually a breed called Kapan. This may cause some fallout, but I don't say this lightly. Look at pictures of various "American serama" people have purchased. Look at their form and their size. Then compare them by going to Google pictures and search for Ayam Kapan. We certainly have all been duped!

I believe we have been sold Kapan, not serama, because someone wanted to make a lot of money on the fad without spending it on real serama in an import. I think I threw money in the toilet.

Serama or Kapan? My Seramas look nothing like the Kapan pictured here.

 

[Aschenfire]

I have looked into the history of serama in the U.S> and have wondered why no one discusses the obvious. Two imports were made into the U.S. of thise breed. One was very small, but the birds themselves were very nice serama. The other import was much larger, but from everything I have seen or heard, these birds were actually a breed called Kapan. This may cause some fallout, but I don't say this lightly. Look at pictures of various "American serama" people have purchased. Look at their form and their size. Then compare them by going to Google pictures and search for Ayam Kapan. We certainly have all been duped!

I believe we have been sold Kapan, not serama, because someone wanted to make a lot of money on the fad without spending it on real serama in an import. I think I threw money in the toilet.

Tim, I am fairly sure you're probably part of ASA, and one of the haters of SCNA and Jerry, so I'm not going to feed the troll. If you feel you wasted your money, there are lots of other breeds to throw your dollars at. Have a ball with that. It is a shame however, that there is the animosity between the two main groups. Seems rather childish to come to a public forum just to badmouth someone.

 

[Aschenfire]

Serama or Kapan? My Seramas look nothing like the Kapan pictured here.

I was thinking the same thing, Brookhavens. Mine don't either, and some of my boys are still young and *gangly* even LOL!

 

[artsyrobin]

I have looked into the history of serama in the U.S> and have wondered why no one discusses the obvious. Two imports were made into the U.S. of thise breed. One was very small, but the birds themselves were very nice serama. The other import was much larger, but from everything I have seen or heard, these birds were actually a breed called Kapan. This may cause some fallout, but I don't say this lightly. Look at pictures of various "American serama" people have purchased. Look at their form and their size. Then compare them by going to Google pictures and search for Ayam Kapan. We certainly have all been duped!

I believe we have been sold Kapan, not serama, because someone wanted to make a lot of money on the fad without spending it on real serama in an import. I think I threw money in the toilet.

from what i have read, and i am new to the breed, the original seramas were a combination of breeds- which could explain some of the variations, just my 2 cents on it