⠀ Animal Protien

[collie1470]

I apologize for any spelling errors. My phone is being testy.

 

[gpop1]

Most places went animal matter free due to the food circle being complete that leads to desease in livestock. Chicken eat meat and bone meal.....then chicken waste was feed to cattle which ended up in chicken feed....... years later you have a problem

 

[collie1470]

Cattle shouldn't be fed meat products in the first place, they're herbivores. :/

 

[gpop1]

Cattle shouldn't be fed meat products in the first place, they're herbivores.

chicken waste.........it wasn't the meat that was being feed to the cattle.


chickens are not great at processing food especially in a fattening shed so about 30% of the nutrient they eat went straight out of the other end on hay/straw that was then feed to cattle in one form or another.

I left animal feed 30 years ago so im not sure what they do now but I think that practice is banned.

 

[collie1470]

I know here the cattle get mostly hay and corn on the feedlots. Most of them here are pastured until 3 months prior to slaughter.

 

[dfalchek]

So to circle back to the thread topic-- no one can name or recommend a poultry feed that contains animal protein? For the record, feed industry and "all-natural" chicken keepers, research showed the BSE prions in poultry feed WILL NOT transit the mad cow disease. Since when, though, does science matter in America?

 

[shortgrass]

Ridge, I could not have said it any better. Past scientific enquiries prove or at least strongly suggest that milk and other animal products fed to chicks provide some protection for the most destructive poultry disease, Typhoid Pullorum Disease. It is well that this disease has been long banished from commercial flocks because the USDA, FDA, and perhaps even your state Department of Agriculture could descend on your farm and destroy all of your fowl right before you and your family's eyes. All it would take is for a backyard flock to spread Typhoid Pullorum to a commercial flock, that by the way are all tested for Pullorum. Therefor there is no doubt about the source of the infection and all untested chickens must pay the ultimate price. A vegetarian chicken ration is a foolish fad that has come about mostly because of charlatans like Dr. Oz or the 7 minute news cycle. I well remember when all the TV talking heads were up in arms over an ingredient in chicken feed called "Tankage" also known as slaughter house waste. If you people want a real laugh read what these ill-informed chicken keepers (well at least most of them) had to say about the subject of tankage. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/510700/what-the-heck-is-tankage If you will open and read the above link you can well understand how come so many of your chickens have health problems. This "MARKETING" ploy is used to sell inferior and even dangerous chicken feed to people who don't know any better, however all that aside, they "asked for it and they got it" but their poor chickens has to pay the price with his or her health. So I suggest that we all return to those exciting days of yesteryear before there were any chemical compounds and produce all our own food. Since homemade sausage making is already used in one post in the above link and the usual suspects who attack tankage also attack the use of Sodium Nitrate to prevent the growth of the Botulism Bacterium in dry cured sausage like Baloney, I therefor wish to advised my chicken keeping friends that it is entirely possible to substitute Potassium Nitrate (salt peter) for Sodium Nitrate in the making of dry cured sausage. Therefor I am including this long established recipe for making your very own natural, organic Potassium Nitrate. Bon Appetite Y'all, and please pass the Andouille and Crawdad gumbo. PS: no bats or bat caves were harmed during the composition of this post!!! "By the request of the Chief of the Department of the Military, under authority of the Executive Council, I have been induced to publish, for the instruction of planters and manufacturers, a very succinct account of the most approved methods of manufacturing saltpetre. In doing so, I shall aim only at brevity and clearness. The general conditions necessary to the formation of saltpetre are: 1st, the presence of decaying organic matter, animal or vegetable, especially the former; 2d, an alkaline or earthy base, as potash or lime; 3d, sufficient moisture; 4th, free exposure to the oxygen of the air; and... 5th, shelter from sun and rain. These conditions are often found in nature, as in the soil of all caves, but particularly those in limestone countries; and still more frequently under a concurrence of circumstances which, though not strictly natural, is at least accidental, so far as the formation of nitre is concerned, as in cellars, stables, manure-heaps, &c. In crowded cities, with narrow, dirty streets and lanes, the decomposing organic matter with which the soil is impregnated becomes gradually nitrified, oozes through, and dries on the walls and floor of the cellars, as a whitish crust, easily detectible as saltpetre by the taste. The same salt may be found in the soil beneath stables of several years' standing, particularly if lime or ashes have been used to hasten the decomposition of the manure; also in the earth of sheep and cattle pens, if these have remained several years in the same position; also in the soil beneath manure-heaps, particularly if lime or ashes have been added to them, as is common among farmers in making compost. It is very important, then, that the soil of such caves, cellars, stables, pens and manure-heaps, as described above, should be tested for saltpetre. If the salt exists in considerable quantities, it may be detected by the taste; if not, a small quantity of the earth may be leached, and the ley boiled down to dryness, and then tested by the taste. If there be still any doubt, any chemist or educated physician may test it. If the earth contains saltpetre in sufficient quantities, it must be leached, and the salt crystallized, by methods which we have described below. By these means, if diligently used in all parts of the State, it is hoped that an immediate and not inconsiderable amount of saltpetre may be obtained. It is not believed, however, that the supply thus obtained will be sufficient for the exigencies of the war. It is very important, therefore, that steps should be taken to insure a sufficient and permanent supply of this invaluable article. [COLOR=FF0000]This can only be done by means of nitre-beds.[/COLOR] I proceed, then, to give a very brief account of the method of making these. The most important prerequisite in the construction of nitre-beds in such manner as to yield nitre in the shortest possible time, is a good supply of thoroughly rotted manure of the richest kind, in the condition usually called mould, or black earth. It is believed that in every vicinity a considerable supply of such manure may be found, either ready prepared by nature, or by the farmer and gardener for agricultural and horticultural purposes. To make the bed, a floor is prepared of clay, well rammed, so as to be impervious to water. An intimate mixture is then made of rotted manure, old mortar coarsely ground, or wood ashes (leached ashes will do), together with leaves, straw, small twigs, branches, &c. to give porosity to the mass, and a considerable quantity of common earth, if this has not been sufficiently added in the original manure-heap. The mixture is thrown somewhat lightly on the clay floor, so as to form a porous heap four or five feet high, six or seven wide, and fifteen feet long. The whole is then covered by a rough shed to protect from weather, and perhaps protected on the sides in some degree from winds. The heap is watered every week with the richest kinds of liquid manure, such as urine, dung-water, water of privies, cess-pools, drains, &c. The quantity of liquid should be such as to keep the heap always moist, but not wet. Drains, also, should be so constructed as to conduct any superfluous liquid to a tank, where it is preserved and used in watering the heaps. The materials are turned over to a depth of five or six inches every week, and the whole heap turned over every month. This is not always done, but it hastens very much the process of nitrification. [COLOR=FF0000]During the last few months of the process, no more urine, nor liquid manure of any kind, must be used,[/COLOR] but the heaps must be kept moist by water only. The reason of this is, that undecomposed organic matter interferes with the separation of the nitre from the ley. As the heap ripens, the nitre is brought to the surface by evaporation, and appears as a whitish efflorescence, detectible by the taste. When this efflorescence appears, the surface of the heap is removed, to the depth of two or three inches, and put aside under shelter, and kept moist with water. The nitre contained is thus considerably increased. When the whitish crust again appears, it is again removed until a quantity sufficient for leaching is obtained. The small mound which is thus left is usually used as the nucleus of a new heap. By this method it is believed that an abundant supply of nitrified earth, in a condition fit for leaching, may be obtained by autumn or early winter. I have spoken thus far of the method of preparing a single heap, or nitre-bed, such as any farmer or gardener may prepare with little trouble. But where saltpetre is manufactured on a large scale, as in the saltpetre plantations, many such beds are made and symmetrically arranged, so as to economize space; all under the same roof, with regularly arranged drains, all leading to a large cistern. In such plantations everything may be carried on with more economy, and with correspondingly increased profits.
PREPARATION OF MOULD.

I have supposed that there is already a considerable supply of rotted manure, prepared for other purposes, in a condition fitted for making nitre-beds; but after the present year this precarious supply must not be relied on. Systematic preparation of mould or black earth must be undertaken. The process of preparation is so precisely similar to that of compost manure that little need be said, the chief difference being the greater richness in nitrogenous matter in the case of compost intended for nitre-beds. First prepare a floor of well-rammed clay; on this place a layer of common soil, mixed with broken old mortar or ashes, six or eight inches thick; then a layer of vegetable matter -- straw, leaves, rank weeds, &c. then a layer of animal matter, dung, flesh, skin, scrapings of drains, sinks, &c. then another layer of mixed earth and mortar or ashes, and so on until a heap six feet high is made. Brush and sticks are often introduced, also, to increase the porosity of the mass. The whole is protected from the weather, and watered every week or two with urine or dung-water, until the organic matter is entirely decomposed into a black mass. This will take place in about a year, or perhaps less, in our climate. The whole is thoroughly mixed, and is then fit for making nitre-beds, as already explained. Thus it is hoped that the preparation of saltpetre may be set on foot at once in three different stages of advance, viz.: by the collection of already nitrified earth; by the making of nitre-beds from already formed black earth; and by the preparation of black earth. By leaching, the first would yield immediate results, the second in six or eight months, and the last in about eighteen months or two years. The method I have given above is that of the French [method]. Other methods are precisely the same in principle, and differ only slightly in some of the details. The best of these is the
PRUSSIAN METHOD.

Five parts of black earth and one of spent ashes or broken mortar are mixed with barley straw, to make the mass porous. The mixture is then made into heaps six feet high and fifteen feet long with one side perpendicular (and hence called walls), and the opposite side sloping regularly by a series of terraces or steps. Straight sticks are generally introduced, and withdrawn when the mass is sufficiently firm. By this means air and water are introduced into the interior of the mass. The heap is lightly thatched with straw, to protect from sun and rain. The whole is frequently watered with urine and dung-water. The perpendicular side being turned in the direction of the prevailing winds, the evaporation is most rapid on that side. The liquid with which the heap is watered is drawn by capillarity and evaporation to this side, carrying the nitre with it, and the latter effloresces there as a whitish crust. The perpendicular wall is shaved off two or three inches deep as often as the whitish incrustation appears, and the material thus removed is kept for leaching. The leached earth, mixed with a little fresh mould, is thrown back on the sloping side of the heap, and distributed so as to retain the original form of the heap. Thus the heaps slowly change their position, but retain their forms. This method yields results in about a year-- probably in our climate in eight months." http://docsouth.unc.edu/imls/lecontesalt/leconte.html

I'm out if ovations.... I have to come back later Thank you for sharing!!!

 

[shortgrass]

http://m.nutrenaworld.com/knowledge-center/poultry/poultry-feed-frequently-asked-questions/index.jsp

"Country Feeds" products may contain animal byproducts.

 

[dfalchek]

http://m.nutrenaworld.com/knowledge-center/poultry/poultry-feed-frequently-asked-questions/index.jsp

"Country Feeds" products may contain animal byproducts.

"May" contain? What does that mean? Why can't the feed industry figure out what it is putting in feed -- i.e. the source of its protein? How frustrating. I think they may mean that Country Feeds are run in mills that DO use animal protein, so there may be a small amount that ends up in Country Feed. I don't know. What a cluster.

 

[shortgrass]

"May" contain? What does that mean? Why can't the feed industry figure out what it is putting in feed -- i.e. the source of its protein? How frustrating. I think they may mean that Country Feeds are run in mills that DO use animal protein, so there may be a small amount that ends up in Country Feed. I don't know. What a cluster. 

It's Nutrenas website, so it depends on WHICH 'Country Feed' feed you are purchasing. Here's the whole statement; you might have to actually look at individual products if that's what you are looking for:

"NatureWise

brand poultry feeds do not contain any animal by-products. Country Feeds

brand products may contain animal by-products, as they are a good source of amino acids (protein), energy, calcium and phosphorus."