Hello all,
Okay, so looking at the use of food grade DE as an odor controller (deep litter method), I went out this weekend and stopped by a couple of feed stores in the middle of nowhere, Virginia, looking for a supplier. The first guy told me he did not carry it as he did not get much call for it. Then I went back to my car, and saw a truck that had a sign for fresh eggs, and saw a lady there with a couple poultry cages with a variety of chickens. I asked her and she told me to never use DE for this purpose. She mentioned that breathing it can be dangerous for humans, and went on and on about how her vet told her not to use it and so forth, for a variety of reasons. She told me to use baking soda. Then, I went to another place and was told almost the same thing by a lady there that also has kept chickens for many years. They sold DE there, but it was an insect control stuff that said pet approved but not food grade.
I know what DE is as I grew up in Lompoc, CA which happens to have the second largest deposit of DE in the world outside of somewhere in Europe. But, I went to Wikipedia and found the following:
The absorbent qualities of diatomite can result in a significant drying of the hands, if handled without gloves. The saltwater (industrial) form contains a highly crystalline form of silica, resulting in sharp edges. The sharpness of this version of the material makes it dangerous to breathe and a dust mask is recommended when working with it.
The type of hazard posed by inhalation depends on the form of the silica. Crystalline silica poses a serious inhalation hazard because it can cause silicosis. Amorphous silica can cause dusty lungs, but does not carry the same degree of risk as crystalline silica. Food-grade diatomite generally contains very low percentages of crystalline silica. Diatomite produced for pool filters is treated with heat, causing the formerly amorphous silicon dioxide to assume its crystalline form.
In the United States, the crystalline silica content in the dusts is regulated by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and there are guidelines for the maximum amounts allowable in the product and in the air near the breathing zone of worker.
-Please excuse my confusion and lack of experience. It sounds to me like using it in this fashion is a bad idea. Here are my questions:
-Is the food grade DE different from the type that is mentioned above as somewhat dangerous to breath? (I realize that it mentions industrial form, which is probably different than the food grade form right?)
-If its dangerous to people, why would it not be dangerous to our birds?
-Why not just use baking soda?
-Why did the only two people, who have surely never met, give me the same reasons not to use DE, and yet, this forum goes on and on that its the best thing to use?
-Has anyone ever had any problems using food grade DE in this type of application?
I just want two things keep my birds healthy and as happy as a chicken can be, and to help keep any bad odor down while considering heavily, the health of my family (and myself!).
Any thoughts would be appreciated. I appreciate both opinions and facts, but remember that facts speak louder than opinions. What I mean is that, I want your opinions, but I would appreciate any hard facts that anyone has.
Blessings,
JReedy72 (Jason)
Okay, so looking at the use of food grade DE as an odor controller (deep litter method), I went out this weekend and stopped by a couple of feed stores in the middle of nowhere, Virginia, looking for a supplier. The first guy told me he did not carry it as he did not get much call for it. Then I went back to my car, and saw a truck that had a sign for fresh eggs, and saw a lady there with a couple poultry cages with a variety of chickens. I asked her and she told me to never use DE for this purpose. She mentioned that breathing it can be dangerous for humans, and went on and on about how her vet told her not to use it and so forth, for a variety of reasons. She told me to use baking soda. Then, I went to another place and was told almost the same thing by a lady there that also has kept chickens for many years. They sold DE there, but it was an insect control stuff that said pet approved but not food grade.
I know what DE is as I grew up in Lompoc, CA which happens to have the second largest deposit of DE in the world outside of somewhere in Europe. But, I went to Wikipedia and found the following:
The absorbent qualities of diatomite can result in a significant drying of the hands, if handled without gloves. The saltwater (industrial) form contains a highly crystalline form of silica, resulting in sharp edges. The sharpness of this version of the material makes it dangerous to breathe and a dust mask is recommended when working with it.
The type of hazard posed by inhalation depends on the form of the silica. Crystalline silica poses a serious inhalation hazard because it can cause silicosis. Amorphous silica can cause dusty lungs, but does not carry the same degree of risk as crystalline silica. Food-grade diatomite generally contains very low percentages of crystalline silica. Diatomite produced for pool filters is treated with heat, causing the formerly amorphous silicon dioxide to assume its crystalline form.
In the United States, the crystalline silica content in the dusts is regulated by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and there are guidelines for the maximum amounts allowable in the product and in the air near the breathing zone of worker.
-Please excuse my confusion and lack of experience. It sounds to me like using it in this fashion is a bad idea. Here are my questions:
-Is the food grade DE different from the type that is mentioned above as somewhat dangerous to breath? (I realize that it mentions industrial form, which is probably different than the food grade form right?)
-If its dangerous to people, why would it not be dangerous to our birds?
-Why not just use baking soda?
-Why did the only two people, who have surely never met, give me the same reasons not to use DE, and yet, this forum goes on and on that its the best thing to use?
-Has anyone ever had any problems using food grade DE in this type of application?
I just want two things keep my birds healthy and as happy as a chicken can be, and to help keep any bad odor down while considering heavily, the health of my family (and myself!).
Any thoughts would be appreciated. I appreciate both opinions and facts, but remember that facts speak louder than opinions. What I mean is that, I want your opinions, but I would appreciate any hard facts that anyone has.
Blessings,

JReedy72 (Jason)