Answer to the Delaware Dilemma

[Serrin]

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Wendy, I really like that close up of the rooster's face. Such sweet and gentle eyes. His comb, unfortunately, leaves a bit to be desired. But, as I understand it, for breeding purposes, you could use him with a perfect five point hen and work out the lack of points in the rooster. He certainly has very nice leg color. Look out! Before you know it, they're going to start really filling out and get chunky. Then you'll have a better idea of what you have to work with there. Have the pullets started to lay yet?

 

[fowlman01]

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Yes, it should be moderately well spread as viewed form the back. A triangle.

 

[kathyinmo]

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OK, now I get it! A triangle .... another lesson learned.

 

[jeremy]

Gah, thinking about all of the details (and trying to process them) is making my brain hurt!

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

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Eh? I haven't shown every species, but in the rabbits and dogs, which I've been most active in, it seems to factor in pretty heavily! In one of my breeds of rabbits, color is 60% of the total points, and they only come in one solid color!

Maybe it's just the breeds I raise. Wow, am I subconsciously attracted to animals with weird color genetics? Possible.

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

I see now I posted my cockerel picture on the wrong thread.

So, what say ye? I see redeeming qualities in this boy. (A touch over 5 months old, I was mistaken in my other post.) What should I start looking at in my pullets to compliment him? And what are actually his strengths and weaknesses?

The last one is from about a month and a half ago, so he was about 4 months old or so.

Also, from the photos, are my pullets pinched, or possibly just skinny?

 

[fowlman01]

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Eh? I haven't shown every species, but in the rabbits and dogs, which I've been most active in, it seems to factor in pretty heavily! In one of my breeds of rabbits, color is 60% of the total points, and they only come in one solid color!

Maybe it's just the breeds I raise. Wow, am I subconsciously attracted to animals with weird color genetics? Possible.

I have had Cardigan and Pembroke Corgi's for quite a while. There are recognized colors, but they are a lot easier to get than the colors chickens require. After dealing with chicken color patterns, I don't think dog colors are any big deal. That is just my opinion based on raising both. I can get the right color on a dog a lot easier than a bird. My wife has actively shown dogs for over 25 years, so I have some experience with dog colors. I have no idea why a color would be 60% of the total points in any animal, but I don't know anything about rabbits. It must be an ornamental breed.

Maybe saying that color is not an issue was the wrong choice of words. Maybe I should have said getting the correct color in most other animals is relatively easy compared to chickens. It is not as specific as to where it should be and the color patterns are not nearly as intricate.

As an example Dels have to have black barring at two ends of the animal. (males) This is no easy feat because the black/barring wants to go to the body of the bird as well. The female Del has barring at one end and laced black at the other. Another very difficult situation. In dogs you have recognized colors that are pretty predictable and possibly something like a white chest, forehead, etc to go along with the main color. In addition most of us don't really know how these chickens were "made". A chicken can look like an APA recognized breed and have very little if any of that breed in them.

Walt

 

[jeremy]

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Eh? I haven't shown every species, but in the rabbits and dogs, which I've been most active in, it seems to factor in pretty heavily! In one of my breeds of rabbits, color is 60% of the total points, and they only come in one solid color!

Maybe it's just the breeds I raise. Wow, am I subconsciously attracted to animals with weird color genetics? Possible.

I have had Cardigan and Pembroke Corgi's for quite a while. There are recognized colors, but they are a lot easier to get than the colors chickens require. After dealing with chicken color patterns, I don't think dog colors are any big deal. That is just my opinion based on raising both. I can get the right color on a dog a lot easier than a bird. My wife has actively shown dogs for over 25 years, so I have some experience with dog colors. I have no idea why a color would be 60% of the total points in any animal, but I don't know anything about rabbits. It must be an ornamental breed.

Maybe saying that color is not an issue was the wrong choice of words. Maybe I should have said getting the correct color in most other animals is relatively easy compared to chickens. It is not as specific as to where it should be and the color patterns are not nearly as intricate.

As an example Dels have to have black barring at two ends of the animal. (males) This is no easy feat because the black/barring wants to go to the body of the bird as well. The female Del has barring at one end and laced black at the other. Another very difficult situation. In dogs you have recognized colors that are pretty predictable and possibly something like a white chest, forehead, etc to go along with the main color. In addition most of us don't really know how these chickens were "made". A chicken can look like an APA recognized breed and have very little if any of that breed in them.

Walt

Walt, you have Corgis? This is my Toby.

He was around 4 months in that picture, he's almost 7 months now. I need to dig up some newer pictures!

 

[fowlman01]

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The birds are pretty young and the pics not the best angle to evaluate. They could be skinny just because they are young. I would look at the comb on the first male and check to be sure that the comb does not have side sprigs. It is pretty wrinkled in the front, but that may grow out. More or less than 5 points is a very minor thing. 1/2 point of each (+/-). Look for pullets that have nice round deep underlines. Ones that look like the bottom of a bowl underneath.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

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I have had Cardigan and Pembroke Corgi's for quite a while. There are recognized colors, but they are a lot easier to get than the colors chickens require. After dealing with chicken color patterns, I don't think dog colors are any big deal. That is just my opinion based on raising both. I can get the right color on a dog a lot easier than a bird. My wife has actively shown dogs for over 25 years, so I have some experience with dog colors. I have no idea why a color would be 60% of the total points in any animal, but I don't know anything about rabbits. It must be an ornamental breed.

Maybe saying that color is not an issue was the wrong choice of words. Maybe I should have said getting the correct color in most other animals is relatively easy compared to chickens. It is not as specific as to where it should be and the color patterns are not nearly as intricate.

As an example Dels have to have black barring at two ends of the animal. (males) This is no easy feat because the black/barring wants to go to the body of the bird as well. The female Del has barring at one end and laced black at the other. Another very difficult situation. In dogs you have recognized colors that are pretty predictable and possibly something like a white chest, forehead, etc to go along with the main color. In addition most of us don't really know how these chickens were "made". A chicken can look like an APA recognized breed and have very little if any of that breed in them.

Walt

Walt, you have Corgis? This is my Toby.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/jeremyjeremy07/toby.jpg

He was around 4 months in that picture, he's almost 7 months now. I need to dig up some newer pictures!

We have six Cardigans here at the moment and one at a friends kennel with 8 three week old babies. We haven't had Pembroke's for a while now. I like them better than the Cardi's, but the dogs are the wife's........so....she puts up with my 500 birds. lol

Nice looking puppy!

Walt