!any things to know before getting a asil!

[fluffycrow]

So game stag question - I have a different breed of game fowl (actually a cross of Flarry Eye Gray and Whitehackles) and have two stags as part of a forest chicken project. If they are totally free-range, will the two stags not try to kill each other if they encounter each other out and about? I've kept one contained with two leghorn hens for the last few days now that the other is out 24/7 with two game hens and 3 leghorn hens.

I honestly don’t know. My experience is with Orientals, and even that is limited. I haven’t had luck with any coexisting while free ranging (under any circumstances).

Males that weren’t gamefowl were tolerated, as long as they didn’t pick fights.

Your space is likely much bigger, and has a lot more cover and forage options for them. Their ‘wild’ instincts might kick in and they could figure that they can work with sharing the land. I don’t think it would be totally unlikely. Unfortunately you won’t know for sure until/if you try it. I’ve seen a few photos of your gamefowl in the landrace thread, gorgeous birds. I really hope it will work out in the end.
Any mixes here have been able to coexist quite peacefully, so I think even the first generation crosses either the leghorns will be much more agreeable there

 

[Appalachickens]

My father in law used to turn 12-18 game stags loose to run free on the farm. Lots of woods nearby too. In a years time there would only be 1 or 2 left from fighting and predation. That 1 cock would produce super chicks. The strong survive. I would keep all my oriental game stags together to free range with no hens around. They fought and established a pecking order but no deaths. Of course i separated before they got too old

Game stags are expensive. I can’t imagine buying that many knowing I’d lose most of them. When I bought my two, the guy warned me to keep them separate.

 

[Appalachickens]

I honestly don’t know. My experience is with Orientals, and even that is limited. I haven’t had luck with any coexisting while free ranging (under any circumstances).

Males that weren’t gamefowl were tolerated, as long as they didn’t pick fights.

Your space is likely much bigger, and has a lot more cover and forage options for them. Their ‘wild’ instincts might kick in and they could figure that they can work with sharing the land. I don’t think it would be totally unlikely. Unfortunately you won’t know for sure until/if you try it. I’ve seen a few photos of your gamefowl in the landrace thread, gorgeous birds. I really hope it will work out in the end.
Any mixes here have been able to coexist quite peacefully, so I think even the first generation crosses either the leghorns will be much more agreeable there

I’ve got 33 wooded acres so plenty of room to roam, but the one stag keeps wandering down to have a crow-off with the other outside his little shelter. I now have a run attached, so at least the cooped up one can get out during the day. I’ve decided to keep him there for the time being as my spare. Hopefully they will be producing some game/leghorn mixes soon!

 

[cubalaya]

Game stags are expensive. I can’t imagine buying that many knowing I’d lose most of them. When I bought my two, the guy warned me to keep them separate.

He didn't buy them. He raised them

 

[Appalachickens]

He didn't buy them. He raised them

Oh okay, that makes more sense.

 

[determed]

Hello I was wondering is there anything to know before getting asil chickens like or they aggressive , friendly to humans , good with hens / roosters what to feed them

Hello Sir/Madam is this your Male? If so can you please contact me?

A lot of it depends on what your plans are for the bird. The line, where it came from etc.
They are very intelligent and have a specific face recognition skill, they notice change immediately.
Immunity is #1 and that goes back to where you got the bird.
The cock bird you have in the picture i believe i know the bloodline, possible origination as it resembles something important.
Asil or aseel, came post 1000 AD although it means pure or lengthy lineage there is nothing pure about the bird called Asil/Aseel ( ironic) not here for argument sake, but it is history and documented. As the various phenotypes were crossed and then stabilized to create other breeds known as some type of asil breed. ie) reza, viper, lasani, kung lok, sonotol, ganga, Hyderabad etc. Inbreeding those specific creations and then stabilizing the line is how certain lines were created. All these breeds came form one specific breeding and lineage of the original Murgha. Although one thing i have learnt and have found very fascinating is, there are many different histories concerning specific lineage and bloodlines of asil all over the world. The bird today has a vast multiple direction history which sometimes intertwines or doesnt. There are a small handful of asil breeders in the USA who have created their own lines or tried to preserve certain older lines which were respected with the game fowl culture. This is no different than what the culture in ancient India did back in the day to create the various lines they were responsible for. So the culture lives on. Out of the 17 more prominent breeders i have connected with in the last 5 years in north America i can say i found 2 that are up and coming. They are all great in their own way, but there are a few that stand out regarding the future. The ones to watch and look for. For they have created, stabilized and maintained something spectacular. From maintaining ancestral genetic look to the athleticism and the conformation, these men i have true Murgha respect for. I dont like to mention anyones name without consent, but in my opinion if i was looking for something special or of a higher grade i would be speaking with these gentleman. Yes there are people in other states that maintain and are known to be a part of a different modern asil culture, but there are a few their creation stands out. There are plenty of knowledgeable people here to converse with, my experience is with ancestral Murgha pre 1000 AD. Hope all goes well with your fowl.

 

[determed]

So game stag question - I have a different breed of game fowl (actually a cross of Flarry Eye Gray and Whitehackles) and have two stags as part of a forest chicken project. If they are totally free-range, will the two stags not try to kill each other if they encounter each other out and about? I've kept one contained with two leghorn hens for the last few days now that the other is out 24/7 with two game hens and 3 leghorn hens.

How game are your birds? we have current american game blue ribbon fowl, and truning them out to forage, they become territorial, and do not go too far even with large acreage, so it depends on you line. Our experience is death. When let out to forage. This is due to the prey drive, not game ( 2 different things). Our Ancestral Murgha ( some refer to as asil) they forage. But in rotation as they will decimate another cock in the area, very alert and quick to detect, these males will move toward the target. Unfortunately there is no pecking order with the ancestral lines we maintain and sometimes there is brutality with duration that takes place. We are quick to notice these fowl at 5 to 9 days old in the nest. Again it depends on what you have, and trial and error will help you learn about whats on your yard. True Murgha or Asil will fight to the death. I believe the same is true with exceptional game fowl. An example would be current day Chet or Tried and tested true current winning baumgardner blueface hatch. Whitehackle, ones he had were the meanest birds i have ever seen, would chase after you and hurt you. Foraging, i could not see the ones we had lasting long. True Hoy muff the same. They have deep game and prey drive. So again, its what type of fowl you have and the intensity of the game it possesses. This is through decades of fowl experience we have endured. others may be different as their birds are.

 

[Appalachickens]

How game are your birds? we have current american game blue ribbon fowl, and truning them out to forage, they become territorial, and do not go too far even with large acreage, so it depends on you line. Our experience is death. When let out to forage. This is due to the prey drive, not game ( 2 different things). Our Ancestral Murgha ( some refer to as asil) they forage. But in rotation as they will decimate another cock in the area, very alert and quick to detect, these males will move toward the target. Unfortunately there is no pecking order with the ancestral lines we maintain and sometimes there is brutality with duration that takes place. We are quick to notice these fowl at 5 to 9 days old in the nest. Again it depends on what you have, and trial and error will help you learn about whats on your yard. True Murgha or Asil will fight to the death. I believe the same is true with exceptional game fowl. An example would be current day Chet or Tried and tested true current winning baumgardner blueface hatch. Whitehackle, ones he had were the meanest birds i have ever seen, would chase after you and hurt you. Foraging, i could not see the ones we had lasting long. True Hoy muff the same. They have deep game and prey drive. So again, its what type of fowl you have and the intensity of the game it possesses. This is through decades of fowl experience we have endured. others may be different as their birds are.

My two stags are full game -they are brothers who are Flarry Eye Gray / Whitehackle crosses. They are bred for cockfighting, so aggressive toward other roosters but not toward humans. Either of them will hang out peacefully with me, but I don’t trust them with each other. I’ve decided to keep one in a run to hold onto as a back-up so I won’t lose the bloodline if the free-ranging one gets killed.