Anybody Kill Any Deer Lateley?

[impis]

Guns are not problem, ignorant controlling people are the problem.

I absolutely agree!!

If I am honest, I do not have a problem with people hunting if they can guarantee that they will kill with one shot, quickly. I am very impressed that everyone here has that skill but I am not convinced that all hunters are skilled marksmen.

If it's the thrill of the hunt, why not hunt with a camera? [I know you won't change your ways, and I don't really expect you to - just challenging thought processes]

I know that you have fabulous wild places with big predators and its probably best not to go traipsing round the wilderness without some form of protection. I envy you your wild places, your wildlife, and your space. I think maybe some of you take it for granted - you should not.

Rednecks? What is a Redneck anyhow? I've heard one or two Redneck jokes. Similar jokes are told here, but the fall guys are usually 'the Irish' or 'a blond'. I'm assuming that a Redneck is someone who lives up in the hills somewhere, miles from civilisation, and who has not had much schooling - is that the typical view? I also know that it is just as inaccurate as saying that the irish or blonds are stupid or uneducated. The latest people to be ridiculed here are 'Chavs'. A Chav is someone from a working class background - lives on a council estate, and buys fake designer goods such as berbery tartan. They are disrespectful and anti -social - and are characterize the worst aspects of people . They appear in jokes, and in TV sketches. I have yet to meet a real one. They do not, really, exist. Presumably, like your Rednecks. Anyhow - the point is that I would never make judgements based on someone being a 'Redneck' or any other social group.

As to feeding strange things - I think we have learned the lessons of the past, and no longer feed sheep remains to cattle - nor any other strange or nasty things - so to bring that up is a valid point - but out of date.
Children here do learn where their food comes from. I know this because that is what I do - This is what I teach. [Well, i teach the ones in my school !! ]

Anyhow - I have to get to work - planning for the next week - and as I'm currently full of cold virus, it is likely to take me a bit longer than usual. Have a great day!​

 

[impis]

We used to have herds of buffalo that would take a hole day to cross a river..... thats how many they were.

USED TO

Why don't you have them any more? Where have all the buffalo gone?

They weren't all taken as food were they?​

 

[Organics North]

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Ah yes that is how the animal rights activists/anti hunting crowd did it in the UK.

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NO, I nor anyone else can "guarantee they kill with one shot quickly"
Some times the knife on the neck of the chicken slips to and one needs a second pass to complete the deed....Stun guns or what ever are not 100% either....

OF Course every one tries very hard to make a clean kill 100% of the time... But what you say is ludicrous..

Just what are you suggesting? Only government agencies should be allowed to dispatch animals??

If it's the thrill of the hunt, why not hunt with a camera? [I know you won't change your ways, and I don't really expect you to - just challenging thought processes]

Photons on the computer screen are not very nutritious.
Do we need to go back and review why people choose to eat wild game and raise and kill their own livestock??????
Impis... You never responded to me questioning your comment that nothing is funny in your food??? I reminded you of mad cow... Do you wish to resend your comment??????.

I know that you have fabulous wild places with big predators and its probably best not to go traipsing round the wilderness without some form of protection.

No that is European urban nonsense, few places do you really need a weapon for protection. Maybe Grizzly bear but that is about it. Here in the big woods of the upper Midwest, no need to have a gun in the woods for safety.. (In our cities yes, in the woods no.) Yes I see the Wolves traversing the ice in the winter, 500 lb black bears in the back yard, here the packs of coyote starting their hunt at night, even the occasional mountain lion sighting. I am part of that natural world, I am the top predator.. I do not fear it, I love it for the natural world is part of me and I am part of it..

Why don't you have them any more? Where have all the buffalo gone?
They weren't all taken as food were they?

Greedy white men fresh off the boat from Europe, killed the buffalo, just for their tongue and sometimes hide.

Native Americans co existed with the buffalo for millenia, hunting and harvesting animals as they needed them. Difference is the Natives have a connection to the land and respect for mother nature, they are hunters and eat what game is taken.

See here in the USA hunting is a tool, hunters fund enviromental programs.. Our wild animal populations are more balanced and diverse today than they were 100 years ago.. Did I say I have Wolves that roam our property...

and no! the Wolves can not have all the game.. They must share..

So lets look at it this way;
Europe bans hunting (Acept for the wealthy.

).... no wild state left...(Human population becomes disconnected form the natural world and from where food comes from.)
USA embraces hunting.... Diverse populations of wild animals (As I said better now than 100 plus years ago.)

Also tell us more about this European fear of nature and the woods? Why is that? Iit has been that way for maybe a 1000 years... "the big bad wolf" Hansel and Gretel stories.. Don't go in the woods.. No wonder your wildlife was destroyed They were disconnected from it so they feared it....

ON​

 

[booker81]

Dear impis, as hard as you find it reasonable I take my three year old out hunting (*and no, ON, not deer, too boring - maybe turkey, she's already been out duck hunting with us, probably some squirrels), I find it unreasonable that you feel it's ok to look to a whole culture with a completely blind eye and already find it wrong. That is what is frustrating. You look down on hunting, and have absolutely zero idea of what it entails. I've been to England (and Wales), and my family often went to England for business (importing Shire horses). I have some idea of "where you're from" and some empathy for your mindset, however, you've never hunted, and yet hold a bias against it, rather would like folks to pass the buck and let someone else do their dirty work for their meat. I know you are playing devil's advocate, but the posts are yours and only serve to lay out your bias. Playing the defense gets old quick.

I think maybe some of you take it for granted - you should not.

Some yes - the majority of which are not hunters. I've yet to meet a hunter of anything that doesn't care and put forth effort into land conservation, as opposed to the folks who would rather split the land up and plant houses instead of trees. This already is long gone for England - flying over, it seems every mile of land is cultivated. Nothing natural is left.

If it's the thrill of the hunt, why not hunt with a camera?

Who says we don't? How does film create food though - food that isn't imported (in your country's case), or mass produced (in my country's case).

They do not, really, exist. Presumably, like your Rednecks. Anyhow - the point is that I would never make judgements based on someone being a 'Redneck' or any other social group.

The origin of redneck was poor white men who worked outdoors, usually farming with heads down, burned red necks. Now, it mainly refers to folks who spend their time outdoors, working with their hands, folks who live simply and without frills. They may be considered backwards in their ways, like you look down on hunting, other folks look down on them not having a nice car that isn't held together with tape, or having kids running around barefoot, or not being "civilized". I didn't see anything resembling redneckish in the UK - you have too many people, too little land, and are too much into each others business to allow it

Rednecks are the last people you want to be someplace fancy with, but the first people you call if you need help - because they can fix darn near anything. Rednecks strive for self sufficiency, and that's just not for food.

I don't have a red neck, but I do my best to rise up to being a good redneck woman - able to process any animal from a cow on down, can and cook, and able to do small engine repair to boot.

Children here do learn where their food comes from. I know this because that is what I do - This is what I teach.

I'm assuming you teach that the majority of your food is imported correct? Ireland, Uruguay, Denmark, New Zealand, for a while, Brazil for meat? Why would it be better to have imported meat that the most local meat around? Why is it better to support another country? My child "helps" me in the garden as well, though usually that involves seeing how many strawberries she can eat while I'm trying to collect them for jam making. Some of our food comes from the store, but a lot comes from right here, food we have harvested ourselves.

I think that might be where this vast gulf in understanding is occurring - we would rather remain self sufficient, and reaching for local or USA made products if available for food - year round. Your country doesn't have that option. For you, it's ok to dine on meat shipped in from New Zealand or Uruguay, here, I want to see the animal on the hoof to KNOW it's healthy, safe and good. You depend on the good word of someone, I depend on my own eyes.​

 

[booker81]

High five to you ON for duplicate quoting and posting the exact same time, heh

 

[Organics North]

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Turkey really!
A blind I assume.. I also assume the calling and so forth is entertaining for her..

My seven year old is getting his first gun for christmas this year....

A bb gun to start the long process of learning respect and responsibility of using and handling a firearm.

Oh yes.. Good description on the red neck... I work outside quite a bit in winter, I often have more of a tan on my face in winter than I do in summer.. (Lots of shade in the woods in summer, but the leafless forest with the sun reflecting off the snow can give quite the sunburn.)
ON

 

[Organics North]

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X2....too you..

ON

 

[Boyd]

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USED TO

Why don't you have them any more? Where have all the buffalo gone?

They weren't all taken as food were they?​

irresponsible commercial hunting..

Used to...

 

[booker81]

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Yup! I'll probably have a gun with me, but the intention won't be for MY hunting - but for her to be with me

We get to go see what we can see. I'll also bring snacks, games, toys, and make sure to go out on a warm day. Just like I did when I was little - it's GREAT fun as a youngster to pretend to be a great hunter in the blind, and try to be as quiet when the critters start filtering in. Of course, little ones can never be completely still and quiet, but sometimes, the woods are forgiving.

 

[impis]

Thank you for your replies.

The origin of redneck was poor white men who worked outdoors, usually farming with heads down, burned red necks.

Thanks for that information. I had no idea where the term came from, only that it was used in a derogatory way, unfairly. Obviously I know no one who lives that type of life - and the only 'experience' [for the want of a better word] that I have was watching a comedy TV show about the Beverly Hillbillies back in the 60s and early 70s. I loved that show - and although it illustrated the naivety of the characters, at the time I never realised that people like them would be the subject of ridicule in real life.

Yes, I do teach about air miles traveled by the foods that we eat. It is important that my students understand where our food comes from. Yes, they know how vegetables grow - because I teach them how to grow them. Yes they know where meat comes from - because I teach them farm studies on a real farm, with real farm animals. I draw the line, though, at taking them to see animals being slaughtered - though they do know how and why it is done. You all think that I am biased but I disagree. I merely have different experiences and background to you, and therefore think and know different things. I make no judgment about who is right or wrong. When teaching, I am very careful not to put my personal opinions on to my students. My job is to inform. To give facts, so that they are able to make up their own minds and have their own judgments. On this forum, I'am not in my teaching role. I am here to voice my own opinions, just as you voice yours. I am interested in what you have to say, and I read carefully, your comments.

You look down on hunting, and have absolutely zero idea of what it entails

I fully understand the assumption, from reading my posts, that I have never hunted. This is not true. I have been on a hunt - but not like the deer hunting expeditions that you go on. I have been fox hunting, years ago, before fox hunting was banned. I only went once. My cousin took me and I went because i wanted to see what it was like, and I knew that this particular hunt had such a poor success rate, it was very unlikely to end in a kill. I had no idea that a fox hunt took all day, and it nearly killed me! I can't tell you how painful my rear end and knees were!!! No, we did not catch any fox - but it was fun riding around the countryside for the first couple of hours or so.

Just what are you suggesting? Only government agencies should be allowed to dispatch animals??

Well, yes, why not? [impis ducks the verbal missiles being flung in this direction]

You never responded to me questioning your comment that nothing is funny in your food???

Well, actually, yes, i did! I stated that we had learned the lessons of the past and crap was no longer allowed to be fed to our animals. We don't even caponise chickens any more.


Thank you all for putting up with this particularly irritating Brit - I don't' suppose you get challenged on this very often - probably not at all. But it is always useful to reflect on our actions, don't you think? I hope i have not offended anyone too deeply. I have tried to keep things light - but am aware that this may be something some of you are prickly about.