Anyone trained their dog to stay away from chickens like this?

When you "zap" him and he comes to you, praise him big time! That's always the right answer and you want him to know he's doing the RIGHT thing. Remember, Red Light, Green Light. For every "no" there has to be a "yes." Listen to me, sounding all Kung Fu-ey, lol. So sounds like he's doing great, and so are you.

If he wants to keep close to you, I would encourage it. He's still a puppy right? Under two years old? He'll gain confidence with age and also by being close to you.

Oh, and don't zap him any more unless he actually seems to be going after them. I don't want him to be afraid of the chickens, or afraid of looking at them casually.
I did praise him for coming over to me, and I am really trying to balance out him being calm around the chickens without him being fearful of them. He is 3 years old, but he was a rescue from a neglectful house about a year ago, so he bonded very strongly with me. I wont zap him unless he goes after them - thank you for the tips!
 
I'll just chime in here with two different experiences with e-collars...

Note - while I don't like them personally, I understand and see the place for them. Neither do I have judgement about your use of them, nor am I trying to accuse you of any wrongdoing/abuse. I do just feel compelled to share one story for anyone who is less capable and considering them as an option, only to establish that in unpracticed hands they can be pretty horrible for dogs.

Our neighbours over the road got the sweetest little huntaway puppy. Huntaways are farm dogs, they're used for herding sheep through a combination of rounding up and barking. They are bred to bark. One day, the neighbours had enough. Instead of training the dog when to bark and giving him the opportunity to meet his ingrained needs (like every farmer that has a huntaway in the entirety of the country), they decided to get a bark collar. Every time the dog barked he'd get zapped. It didn't take long before the poor thing stopped eating and got terribly emaciated, and it took quite a bit longer before they finally put two and two together to realise they were causing their dog to starve itself and he became #neuroticAF. Thankfully they don't live over the road anymore - they largely got driven out of the community after ostracising themselves through their dysfunctional behaviours. I understand a bark collar is different than a correction collar, but I also understand that corrections that are inappropriately doled out can have impacts we aren't intending, and the few cases I've witnessed with more extreme unintended consequences were people with e-collars of some kind.

That out of the way, for other people looking to go the same route you have... I have also taken my dog to a kiwi aversion course that used an e-collar to correct her. There are a few tramps you can do here that allow you to take your dog off lead, but only if they've done said course. I was also applying for a job with a private conservation trust I thought I might be able to convince to let me bring my dog to work if she were properly aversion trained.

It was only about half an hour, and most of that was filling in paperwork and having a chat to the people administering the course. I took her to a public park that had a bush trek in it. In the bush, they'd set up four or five stations with either taxidermied kiwis, some feathers and scat, or some bedding, each station was a couple of minutes walk from the last and were set up where the dog had to walk near them. She was on a lead. The second she showed any curiosity to a station they zapped her.

The first one obviously surprised/scared her. She'd been zapped before, but only when she met an electric fence for the first time, so she seemingly had no context for understanding what happened. At the second one she was still unclear about the whole ordeal and a bit curious so she got zapped again. After the third zap though, she'd pieced it together - if you smell kiwi you better just pretend that oh-no-you-actually-didn't.

The procedure is to take her to aversion training once a year to maintain certification. But I reckon if that's they way they do it to protect our national bird, it's at least a good start for people looking to protect their backyard flock.
 
I'll just chime in here with two different experiences with e-collars...

Note - while I don't like them personally, I understand and see the place for them. Neither do I have judgement about your use of them, nor am I trying to accuse you of any wrongdoing/abuse. I do just feel compelled to share one story for anyone who is less capable and considering them as an option, only to establish that in unpracticed hands they can be pretty horrible for dogs.

Our neighbours over the road got the sweetest little huntaway puppy. Huntaways are farm dogs, they're used for herding sheep through a combination of rounding up and barking. They are bred to bark. One day, the neighbours had enough. Instead of training the dog when to bark and giving him the opportunity to meet his ingrained needs (like every farmer that has a huntaway in the entirety of the country), they decided to get a bark collar. Every time the dog barked he'd get zapped. It didn't take long before the poor thing stopped eating and got terribly emaciated, and it took quite a bit longer before they finally put two and two together to realise they were causing their dog to starve itself and he became #neuroticAF. Thankfully they don't live over the road anymore - they largely got driven out of the community after ostracising themselves through their dysfunctional behaviours. I understand a bark collar is different than a correction collar, but I also understand that corrections that are inappropriately doled out can have impacts we aren't intending, and the few cases I've witnessed with more extreme unintended consequences were people with e-collars of some kind.

That out of the way, for other people looking to go the same route you have... I have also taken my dog to a kiwi aversion course that used an e-collar to correct her. There are a few tramps you can do here that allow you to take your dog off lead, but only if they've done said course. I was also applying for a job with a private conservation trust I thought I might be able to convince to let me bring my dog to work if she were properly aversion trained.

It was only about half an hour, and most of that was filling in paperwork and having a chat to the people administering the course. I took her to a public park that had a bush trek in it. In the bush, they'd set up four or five stations with either taxidermied kiwis, some feathers and scat, or some bedding, each station was a couple of minutes walk from the last and were set up where the dog had to walk near them. She was on a lead. The second she showed any curiosity to a station they zapped her.

The first one obviously surprised/scared her. She'd been zapped before, but only when she met an electric fence for the first time, so she seemingly had no context for understanding what happened. At the second one she was still unclear about the whole ordeal and a bit curious so she got zapped again. After the third zap though, she'd pieced it together - if you smell kiwi you better just pretend that oh-no-you-actually-didn't.

The procedure is to take her to aversion training once a year to maintain certification. But I reckon if that's they way they do it to protect our national bird, it's at least a good start for people looking to protect their backyard flock.
I 100% agree that e-collars can (and often are) used wrong. I do want to be clear that my dog went to a very good school and was off-leash trained using the e-collar (and he loves the freedom that the collar gives him). I also know how to use it properly, which is why I was comfortable using it for training him with the birds - he understands what the sensation that he feels is, and how to stop/prevent it. E-collar training is very complex, and you shouldn't just slap it on your dog and hope for the best. What those people did to their puppy is horrible and it breaks my heart to hear that, and they should absolutely be shamed for that behavior.
That being said, I think that some people hear stories like that and just assume e-collars used in any way is abuse (which I know is not what you are saying), and I think we need to educate people on how to PROPERLY use the tool. Used properly it can be an incredible way to get in touch with your dog without needing a leash. For example, here is Ranger (my e-collar trained dog) off-leash in the mountains, helping us find a Christmas tree last year! This is what PROPPER e-collar training can give you and your dog:
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Totally understand. Totally agree.

For what it's worth - you've been really clear through 5 pages of this thread about how well qualified you are to have this tool in your toolbox and to use it for training your dog. I reckon it's pretty stink that the state of the world is such that a few poorly informed/bad dog owners have done such bad with those tools such to create a culture where you really have to justify the use. People who correct incorrectly with leads create lead-aggressive dogs, but as a whole we don't know/understand and don't shame each other for poorly correcting dogs on leads such that anyone who uses a lead spends a good deal of time having to justify it.

Perhaps I'm projecting.

I didn't get the Covid vaccine because I couldn't understand the logistics of the herd-immunity-through-vaccination strategy when we couldn't produce enough vaccines to attain herd immunity. The weaknesses in the strategy may be more apparent if you live in a country that didn't top the list for vaccine access. We got it in a reasonable time, but by the time we had the second round available to us, the US, UK, and Israel were already on their third round and the cracks in the hopes for herd immunity had already become apparent.

I also live rural and work by myself in a different rural environment. My threat to myself or others was far lower than average. But, because the primary story getting air-time about people not getting vaccinated was for different, less commonly understandable reasons, all of us unvaccinated people got lumped into that group. So now, any time I mention not being vaccinated, I feel I've got to give a bit of a preamble so people know where to place me in their qualification processes. It feels necessary, and it still kinda sucks.

If you're in a similar place with using an e-collar, my apologies.

And if not, and I'm just rambling/projecting, also my apologies.
 
My dog has killed SO MANY of my chickens, and I am at my wits end. I have heard of training methods using an e-collar, which I have and he is trained on in other areas of his life, and I am wondering, has anyone used an e-collar to teach their dog not to kill chickens? In more depth, the method is this: put a chicken in the yard, and then release the dog while you hide and watch. Once the dog tries to go after the chicken, you shock him on a very high level with the e-collar. Basically he will associate chasing chickens with pain, and he wont do it anymore. Does this work? Is it "abusive" to do this to your dog? My thinking is that a moment of pain for my dog is worth it if it means the life of all my birds.
I must be the stray naysayer here.. My 139lb dog is Rottweiler and Standard Poodle - a mix with an exceptionally high prey drive. My collar comes with a tone (which adjustable from low to high) and it was a great success. Unlike most of the commenters here, I do believe that shocking a dog into submission is absolutely cruel and inhumane. Dogs aren’t stupid and sooner or later you’re dog will associate you with the pain - and then you e lost your companion.

It took a week of elevating the high pitched tone (no shocks) and now the Hens and Runner ducks and the dog are safe together. And more importantly, my dog still trusts me.
 
Unlike most of the commenters here, I do believe that shocking a dog into submission is absolutely cruel and inhumane. Dogs aren’t stupid and sooner or later you’re dog will associate you with the pain - and then you e lost your companion.
Well first of all, I am not always out there when he gets the correction, so he wouldn't associate it with me, and even if he DID, he clearly doesn't hate me for it. My dog has a very strong bond with me, despite me using the e-collar from the moment I got him. In fact, one of the ways I got him to be so close with me despite having a rough past was taking him to the park every day (totally off-leash) and letting him run around and play ball with me, along with fun obedience drills. He would never have been able to go to the park without a leash (or at least a long line) if it weren't for the e-collar. And I am not "shocking a dog into submission", he fully understands the corrections (because of how I trained it) and he is fully aware that HE is in control of when he gets a correction and when said correction goes away. Again, I spent WEEKS training him for moments exactly like this where I wouldn't otherwise be able to give him the freedom he now enjoys. If I didn't have the e-collar, I would probably have to sell my hens to new homes, because it is simply not fair to make them live in a place that has constant predator attacks, and it also wouldn't be fair to Ranger to get mad at him after he kills a bird when he didn't know any better. The fact that you could use the buzz setting on your collar and have success with it is great, but that simply wouldn't work for my dog, and I know that because I have tested it before. All dogs are different, and they respond to different tools and methods. I don't believe dog training is black and white, especially when it comes to the e-collar.
 
Here you go:

 
I used this method on Sammy when starting him on the e-collar. He now knows if he does get shocked, to run immediately to me for safety, comfort and reassurance. I am his "safe place." This has carried over into other areas. If he is scared or nervous bc of a storm, he runs to me. If the neighbor is target practicing, which he hates, he runs to me. I am his protector no matter what. He does not hate or fear me. There is no way he could possibly know that the little shock from his collar originates with me. I say little shock - our setting is 8 - out of 100. And this keeps him on our property, safely away from the neighbor's dog that almost ripped his leg off last year ($500). It keeps him from chasing the trash truck which of course could kill him. Is it worth it for that little tingle on his neck? I think it is.
 

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