Araucana thread anyone?

[Illia]

I've got one who's just like him except rumpless, different color, and butterfly combed. And a girl who's like him but tufted, however tailed, and blue based. I have a few variances in the whole "bearded crowned/crested blue egger" thing but not exactly like your description. Personally I think a rumpless bird with crown, beard/muffs, etc just isn't balanced. Add a tail and sure, but all that going on in front and nothing in back, I don't know, it just seems like too much going on in front.

 

[smoothmule]

Illia,
Yea, I think you're right about the crested with a tail. Still something interesting though. The color is stunning as well. Love the depth of color.

 

[shanshan51]

Ok maybe you all can help me out. I have been getting what looks to be a lot of Gold and Silver Duckwings lately. I am very excited about this. However most are not getting tufts.....so thats a project for the future. But......I am also getting a few solid double tufted blacks, dark grey, and white.

I really would like to breed RBB what combo of colors breeding would maybe produce that? I have one female that is 4 months old that is a RBB.

 

[cashdl]

Black Breasted Red needs to be based on wheaten, so you need to use wheatens in your breeding program for the large fowl. If you use wild type then they are not showable.

None of the birds you got from me are based on wheaten.

Lanae

 

[Illia]

A pure duckwing male, wildtype BBR, can still be shown as a "wheaten" BBR though.

 

[cashdl]

No it can't be shown as a wheaten BBR it can just be shown as a BBR. Your basically cheating though and if you breed a wild type BBR to a wheaten type hen you are going to get splits and be moving yourself away from show quality. There is not an easy way to tell the difference visually, except the underfluff is usually different from wheaten bbr to wild type bbr.

Lanae

 

[cashdl]

To clarify why it can be confusing with Roos the Black Breasted Red is that e+ or wild type black breasted reds, ewy or wheaten black breasted reds, and eb or brown black breasted reds all look the same as adults. The hens is where you see the difference when showing because the hens all look drastically different.

this is e+ based or wild type

this is ewh based or wheaten which is the APA variety for showing

this is eb based or brown variety of black breasted red.

They are all duckwing based birds. The silver and golden duckwings per APA are based on Wild Type.

Notice the difference in chick down color and hen color. Now the males can all look identical depending on what modifier genes they have present, but the hens will tell what they are.

Lanae

 

[shanshan51]

Wow that is helpful but I am still confused on what I have.....I took these pics at lunch. It was pouring rain so excuse the poor lighting.

These are two chicks from the Roo and hens I purchased from you. Not sure which came from which hen because at that time I was just learning what each hens egg looked like all being slightly diff. The second chick is actually much lighter in person. More creme in color.

Top View Wing


Chick # 2 Top View Chick # 2 Wing

Chick # 2 Side View

 

[shanshan51]

Then here is Einstein #2 (#2 because #1 grew a tail.) Einstein #2 does not have as nice of tufts as #1 but they are solid black tufts unlike #1 had white in her tufts.




Are Einstein #2's feet an acceptable color? They are black with peach toes.

Does this one also look Roo-ish to you?

 

[Illia]

No it can't be shown as a wheaten BBR it can just be shown as a BBR. Your basically cheating though and if you breed a wild type BBR to a wheaten type hen you are going to get splits and be moving yourself away from show quality. There is not an easy way to tell the difference visually, except the underfluff is usually different from wheaten bbr to wild type bbr.

Lanae

What I mean is, a Wheaten and a wildtype BBR in males are no different and can be both shown as whatever the breed's colors are accepted. So, what I mean is, Araucanas' "BBR" is actually wheaten but you can show a duckwing/wildtype. I basically mean that BBR in other breeds often means wildtype duckwing, but indeed in some like Araucanas it means Wheaten, either way, the males are the same. But yes, when it comes to breeding, one should eventually separate the two as you don't want to cross them or have a split running around.



As to the chicks shown - The better the stripes, the better chance it is pure duckwing. The lighter stripes the poor chance it is pure duckwing and more likely a Wheaten or Wheaten split. Although some pure duckwings may have poor striping too, it often is a sign of other genes in there though. For example, columbian based duckwings (quail) can often be dark on top, yellow on bottom and face. But, a yellow chick or a chick with faint striping on a yellow body is often sign of Wheaten in there.

As they mature, it will be hard to tell in males.