Are You Stocking Up On Food?

Here's my take/ mostly on livestock....

I do not have much food put back. I have a few hundred pounds of meat on the hoof mowing my yard(goats). I have 25 or so chickens.

If things went bad I have enough canned stuff for about a month. The chickens would all be turned out, well all but a trio or so of Leghorns for hatching eggs an some Cochins if power for the incubator was an issue. The goats can fend for there self pretty well an the dogs being in the goat yard keep predators at bay. I also have a cat for mousing.

Storing grain is always a good idea but it needs to be protected. Grain storage has been an issue for thousands of years. That is one of the first reasons for domesticating dogs an cats. People would be shocked an how much rats can carry off the first nigh when they find your grain. A years supply of wheat can be gone my morning. A good cat or ratter dog is worth its weight in food a day. Plastic buckets will not keep rats out, they will actually attract them. The plastic in buckets along with other plastics is a food source to rats. They will seek out the plastics an eat threw them for the nutrients in the plastic its self. Once inside an it finds the grains it will carry off every bit that it has a place to store.

I cant eat grass. To turn dirt in to food I have to make a garden which takes lots of calories of input. A garden is a good thing but is not all that efficient. Goats, sheep, rabbits, exec can turn grass in to food for me with almost not calorie input from me. Less calorie input I have to use means the less calories I have to eat. Now if all you own is so many square feet of dirt then efficient use of land is key, not efficient use of time an calories. Knowing how to garden well will be a priority. Every inch of dirt needs to produce as much food as you can.

On the other hand, if you have a few acres, efficient use of time an calories becomes key, not efficient use of land. If you take half an acre an make a garden, an acre for wheat, a acre for a few goats an maybe a small lot for a rabbit colony what would happen. How big of a garden can you work your self? How many calories will you eat on those days? What would it cost to fire of a tractor if you went bigger? Sure a acre of goats wont make you as much food as a second acre of garden would but can you work 2 by hand? Or is less work an meet an milk worth more? What about the wheat or corn or other grains? You need them but you only eat the grains. If you throw away the rest, thats not very efficient. You grew it, might as well store it an have something that can eat it.

Now theres the issue of wildlife an other predators. Humans, deer, rats, wild birds, you name it an it likes the same foods you like. Are you going to run outside day an night to run off everything that might find your garden, wheat, corn or goats. You could but how many calories do you burn moving your 150 pound body around doing that? I bet a pair of 20 pound shelties could do a better job an burn way less calories a day doing it, leaving you to only go look out the window or go out when it is needed.

What about winter storage? Are you going to dig threw stacks of buckets of grain an other stored foods every day, cleaning an resting traps to make sure your food is not being taken away in the night? Sure you could but think of the calories you are burning threw. I bet a pair of cats or 10 pound ratter dogs could crawl around between those buckets an do the same job better while burning less calories per day.

Can livestock or pets give away your location? Sure. Anyone withing a few hundred yards will see livestock but they will also see a garden. Anyone withing a mile may hear your dog barking but if it is then something is close enough already to be more of an issue at the time. The people a mile+ away will not know your dog from the sound of wild dogs. If they are going to find you they will more likely follow the smell of anything you cook or the smoke from your chimney.


Animals are there to do the jobs that we cant or to do they jobs that we can but they can do more efficiently than we can. There is a reason over thousands of years the home/farm evolved to have both plants an livestock, an dogs an cats. Those people knew what they were doing. Before anyone tries to reinvent the wheel, look closely at the old one an ask why each part is there to begin with.
 
Some years ago i watched a doctumentary .. Forgot name of it & even the country, but the people were in a war camp . Their culture believed not to destroy the earth so they planted hanging from trees gardens . Itlooked like sheets hanging in trees & they used a pully & ropes to lower down to water & pick veggies . For lack of garden space for some maybe try somethig like that . I plant what ever i can so it grows upwards. Like cucumbers , peas & beans . You'd be surprised how much produce you can get in just a few feet when the plant grows up instead of outwards spread out on ground . I used poultry wire & sticks for plants to climb on . Some i Teepee like the cucumbers .
 
I do have own well & when we are without power we have no water . It is a fear of mine having no water . I have bought simple things like baby wipes so if no water able to wash up without having to use the little i do have stored . I try to have extras of medicines we normally would use like allergy meds or tyenol .. Recently picked up for toothaches , just incase & for ear infections . Simple little things that the preppers shows bought to light for me . I am to old to worrt about surviving a major diaster .. But for local diasters or ??? I dont want anyone i love & care about to have go hungry , sick or pain . I have always had enough but until the past few years thought more of tomorrows .
 
Location has a lot to do with how you need to prepare. If you're out in the country and secluded, then things are easier than if in the inner city. As they always say, expect the unexpected and I have always been a believer in being prepared. If there ever is a large scale "unexpected" event, then a few months worth of food stored away affords you the opportunity to hunker down and not be seen. Draw the drapes and don't be noticed. And if a large "unexpected" event occurs late in the year, then many will have to survive through winter which poses a whole new set of hurdles.

Rebel made some good points about rodents and plastic buckets. Vermin control is a necessity. Although if things deteriorated enough, rats would be a good addition of protein. Yeah, it's a gross thought for most, but it takes me back to when I was in Ecuador a few years back. Me and a guy were walking through downtown Guayaquil and couldn't believe it when we saw a man standing along one of the main streets holding several dead rats by the tail that he was selling.
 
When houses were bombed in London during the Blitz, here's how they improvised cooking facilities. You need some old house bricks, but i'm sure rocks/large stones would do equally well. You also need either the rack from an oven or, if you have one, a mud scraper as you have at the front door. You make three rows of bricks, 6 long and three courses high. Space these in such a way that the oven rack/door scraper can straddle them. You now fill the areas between the rows of bricks with charcoal/wood, and you have a very efficient method of cooking. Haybox cookery is a good way of reducing the need for fuel when cooking. You need a fairly large box, for example a wooden tea chest. Line it deeply with straw/hay and all around the insides. Bring a stew to the boil and cook for about 20 mins. Remove from heat and making sure it is well covered lower it into the box. Surround it with more straw/hay and cover it with straw before putting the lid on it. After about 8 hours, it will be fully cooked. Animals can be bedded on dry bracken and this is commonly done in Wales as a free alternative to expensive straw. I'm sure this can be substituted for straw/hay in the haybox 'oven' as well.
 
Very good point, baker. If you're in an urban setting, you'd be much more hard pressed to deal with emergencies like that. Chances are you wouldn't have many skills that would help you and even finding food after the stores have been looted would leave you in a pretty bad place.

Never heard about a haybox oven, newfoundland. I've heard of earth ovens though...dig a hole in the soil (ours is ideal since it's mostly clay, although it does make for difficult digging). Line it with rocks heated from a fire, cover your food with plenty of damp (non poisonous) leaves and fill the hole back in. The food slow cooks over several hours. Of course, you could use a good heavy dutch oven to contain your food as well...a more modern spin on the idea :)
 
I found this list very intresting. While it might be a lot to go buy or try to keep on hand, it gave me ideas of stuff I hadn't thought of.

http://www.grandpappy.info/hfood1yr.htm

And a very thought provoking opinion on pets and livestock

http://www.grandpappy.info/hpets.htm

And some more info

http://www.grandpappy.info/hnow.htm

Don't anybody get their panties in a wad, I posted these links because they gave me insight I hadn't thought of. I am not going to come to your house and eat your dog.........unless he might be young and tender....
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Seriously, I thought this guy had some intresting points. Dig around on his site, he also has some recipes for what to do with all this stored up stuff we are hoarding.
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Sorry, I missed a few days and I am playing catch-up............
Just for the record, I wonder if this guy has taken into concideration that just by reading his site, we are ALLLLLL being put on some government watch list?!?
 
Of course, you could use a good heavy dutch oven to contain your food as well...
http://www.mrdutchoven.com/cookware.htm#CampfireCooking

Our new gas stove requires power to use the oven. Our power goes out allot so our dutch oven is used on the eye quite a bit...


A car engine works to cook on too. Top of the block an the hoses to the heater get about 180 to 220. Manifold gets 350 to 450. I take people out camping on the river all the time an cook on my engine. Not all that efficient but its fun an they remember it.
 

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