Arizona Chickens

[City farm]

It could be the fact that SOOM woods contains by products that remain in some form in the ash that is toxic to chickens. I will have to look that up and see if there is anything on different trees that are toxic, such as Oleander

"Nerium

Nerium oleander is an evergreen shrub or small tree in the dogbane family Apocynaceae, toxic in all its parts. It is the only species currently classified in the genus Nerium. Wikipedia"

The ash from oleander is not poisonous if it's burned properly and completely. However, the fumes resulting from the burning process are toxic and can cause respiratory problems, especially in an enclosed environment, therefore it is never recommended that it be burned.

There is a large debate going as to whether it is more environmentally friendly to burn excess waste, to compost it or to send it to the landfill. Burning the waste causes ash particles to become airborn, however, those particles are healthy for the environment once the land and become part of the ecosystem. It also causes the production of carbon dioxide (CO2), which is a major concern for the environmental community, because it aids in the alleged global warming. Composting also produces carbon dioxide, but if the pile becomes anaerobic as it does in the landfill, it also produces methane, which is far worse than carbon dioxide. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has implemented a large-scale, albeit voluntary, Landfill Methane Outreach Program to help fund the capture of these gases for productive use.

That's part of the reason I'm working on collecting the material to build a rocket stove. It has the highest combustion efficienty known to man and operates at extreme temperatures. Properly designed, the output is pure carbon dioxide (which plants require, so it shouldn't be that bad for the planet if we'd stop chopping down all the forests) and condensation. I want to build one on my back porch for winter heating and possibly cooking. Small twigs are the primary fuels.

If someone is burning oleander's, they need help.. My grand pappy always said you can't fix stupid.. Speaking about oleander.. Any suggestion
for a scrub that closely relates to oleander's qualities.. Minus the "poinious".. We were thinking hop seed? Any other suggestions?

Love the rocket stove idea.. Are you going to be at processing day?

 

[City farm]

Hey everyone! So I thought i would give you all an update!! So ive started my junior year and boy has it been busy! My birds at home are doing pretty good in the heat! Luckily I havent lost one yet! But as for my flock of icelandics for the school project all i can say is its no good. We lost one to the heat. 4 to a hawk and 3 from getting out and becoming dehydrated. That leaves one. So heres my next thing! We are looking for two things. We want to either find someone who is hatching and buy eggs or get an incubator from someone who has one and hatch some ourselves! If you apply for either one of those let me know!! Thanks!

Do you trim their wings? That might help you from prevention of them "flew over the coop".. Or a make shift run that is a extension
of the coop. I saw one on the coop fourum. All they did was take chicken wire, mesh with PVC pipe. Made a half circle with the wire
& used Gardening wire to hold into place.. They had it go along the fence line.. It was so cool.. A real chicken run.. It was only about
2 feet high.. Hawk proof.. Plus they won't get out, when thirsty they can run back for H2o..

 

[Demosthine]

If someone is burning oleander's, they need help.. My grand pappy always said you can't fix stupid.. Speaking about oleander.. Any suggestion
for a scrub that closely relates to oleander's qualities.. Minus the "poinious".. We were thinking hop seed? Any other suggestions?

Love the rocket stove idea.. Are you going to be at processing day?

Well, then you can't fix me. I do burn some of the oleander branches, although it is an outdoor fireplace and nobody is usually around. My trees generate so much wood that I can't keep filling the dumpsters weekly. Our city has started enforcing weight criteria, too. If the dumpster weights above a certain amount, we get an extra fee added to our bill. I burn it in one of those beehive fireplaces where it shoots the fumes and smoke into the air with a pretty significant force. To be perfectly honest, it reacts quite a bit like the rocket stove, especially when I put more than a few branches in there. It goes back to the argument about burning, versus composting, versus the landfill.


Yes, my wife and I hope to be at processing day. We have a baseball game that starts at Noon, so we'll head over after that. No roosters for us, though. I value my two boys way to much to process. They are so large, beautiful and perfect gentleman, I couldn't image just giving it up for the sake of processing. If the party ended up being at my house, I was planning on having the rocket stove built by then and we could use it to keep the water at the correct temperature with very little raw resources. It would take significantly less in a rocket fire than an electric or gas stove.

 

[City farm]

If someone is burning oleander's, they need help.. My grand pappy always said you can't fix stupid.. Speaking about oleander.. Any suggestion

for a scrub that closely relates to oleander's qualities.. Minus the "poinious".. We were thinking hop seed? Any other suggestions?


Love the rocket stove idea.. Are you going to be at processing day?

Well, then you can't fix me.  I do burn some of the oleander branches, although it is an outdoor fireplace and nobody is usually around.  My trees generate so much wood that I can't keep filling the dumpsters weekly.  Our city has started enforcing weight criteria, too.  If the dumpster weights above a certain amount, we get an extra fee added to our bill.  I burn it in one of those beehive fireplaces where it shoots the fumes and smoke into the air with a pretty significant force.  To be perfectly honest, it reacts quite a bit like the rocket stove, especially when I put more than a few branches in there.  It goes back to the argument about burning, versus composting, versus the landfill.


Yes, my wife and I hope to be at processing day.  We have a baseball game that starts at Noon, so we'll head over after that.  No roosters for us, though.  I value my two boys way to much to process.  They are so large, beautiful and perfect gentleman, I couldn't image just giving it up for the sake of processing.  If the party ended up being at my house, I was planning on having the rocket stove built by then and we could use it to keep the water at the correct temperature with very little raw resources.  It would take significantly less in a rocket fire than an electric or gas stove.

KNOCK it off, land fill for sure.. Oleanders are poisonous! Talk about stupid you would think I would edit before I send.. Spelling..ugh
We burn enough to know that you CAN NOT, NOT inhale some smoke.. Come on land fill..your lungs are are too important..
My grand pappy said " I don't have time for the hospital" ditto ...
If you were my neighbor I would let you use our garbage.. There is about 5-7 neighbors on our block that agree & we all work with each other
when we have over flow.. Tempe now has limited pick up.. Talk to neighbors and ask to be able to fill to the top day of garbage.. Fixable?? Huh??

 

[flower]

QUOTE "Speaking about oleander.. Any suggestion
for a scrub that closely relates to oleander's qualities.. Minus the "poinious".. We were thinking hop seed? Any other suggestions?"

Rosemary bushes grow fast and are fragrant and attractive, there are many vines such as honeysuckle, trumpet flowers that take off well once started.

I grow morning glories, an annual which reseeds. Once it grew into the coop and the birds enjoyed a snack. It is listed as poison/toxic plant but it had not effect on the birds. I am thinking that quantity ingested is a big factor in a plants effects.

 

[LadyKotaDoria]

I have a thing about them, Oleander. If the toxins do burn off it must be related to the temperature of the fire. Each mineral, compound, element, Etc. has a temperature specific to it. Wood and the chemicals inside are no different. Do you know just how hot the fire needs to be to burn off all the toxins? What temp. dose Oleander burn at? I have no idea of different woods, I only know hard woods are also hotter then most soft woods, a lot has to do with moisture content. All woods burn hotter the dryer they are. I col a lot on open fires, I have to know how to control my flame. Every time it is different do to humidity, wood, oxygen, and moisture, besides the type of wood used.

 

[Demosthine]

From what I could tell off hand, the calcium is the mineral with the highest flash point, between 825° and 840°. If the rocket stove really does hit 1200° like many people say, it would truly burn everything.

 

[desertmarcy]

If someone is burning oleander's, they need help.. My grand pappy always said you can't fix stupid.. Speaking about oleander.. Any suggestion
for a scrub that closely relates to oleander's qualities.. Minus the "poinious".. We were thinking hop seed? Any other suggestions?

Love the rocket stove idea.. Are you going to be at processing day?

Arizona Rosewood (Vauquelinia californica). It is an Arizona native large shrub/small tree. It is a little slow to get started, so I would get the largest size you can afford, but once established, it will grow tall and wide like an oleander if given supplemental water. Even has leaves size/shape of oleander. It grows around 5,000 feet so you might want to check with your local nurseries, preferably ones that sell native plants, and ask how it fares in the low desert. It does great in Tucson. Quite a hardy plant. Hopbush is relatively short-lived, that is it's downside. I highly recommend Arizona Rosewood, it is a lovely plant and makes a nice screen or natural hedge. I think it is a wonderful replacement for oleander. You won't have the bright showy flowers (Rosewood's flowers are white and somewhat unassuming), but it is not poisonous.

 

[City farm]

Thank you for suggestions. We also would like the height & freeze resistance.. Man it could be asking to much huh..
Plus something that won't grow into the power lines.. Decisions, decisions..

 

[City farm]

If someone is burning oleander's, they need help.. My grand pappy always said you can't fix stupid.. Speaking about oleander.. Any suggestion

for a scrub that closely relates to oleander's qualities.. Minus the "poinious".. We were thinking hop seed? Any other suggestions?


Love the rocket stove idea.. Are you going to be at processing day?

Arizona Rosewood (Vauquelinia californica). It is an Arizona native large shrub/small tree. It is a little slow to get started, so I would get the largest size you can afford, but once established, it will grow tall and wide like an oleander if given supplemental water. Even has leaves size/shape of oleander. It grows around 5,000 feet so you might want to check with your local nurseries, preferably ones that sell native plants, and ask how it fares in the low desert. It does great in Tucson. Quite a hardy plant. Hopbush is relatively short-lived, that is it's downside. I highly recommend Arizona Rosewood, it is a lovely plant and makes a nice screen or natural hedge. I think it is a wonderful replacement for oleander. You won't have the bright showy flowers (Rosewood's flowers are white and somewhat unassuming), but it is not poisonous.

Ok now we're talking.. Love the idea on Arizona rosewood.. I will look it up.. Again I totally need to edit before sending.. I just laughed
at my own self spelling... I feel like I am always Ina hurry..

We have the winds picking up over here now..

Thank you for the advice..