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I have a couple of outside cats that will catch mice, but I lock my coop up at night and they can't get in there. That's when the mice run around. I tried the live catch mice traps and bait them with the mouse poison and I would catch one or two every night with that until they, as someone said, wised up. I hate putting the poison out because of the cats. I would hate myself if my cat caught a mouse that had ingested the poison. I thought the live trap was perfect. The mice would eat the poison yet couldn't escape, so I could dispose of them later. Only saw a rat once, with a couple of babies hanging on her back. I had found where a rat made a nest out of the hood insulation on my car and built a dang nest under the hood! We set a rat trap under the hood and caught the rat. They are hard to control when you have chickens. Keeping a few cats is likely the best option. I even have a couple of house cats and they surprisingly have caught two in the house. I don't know how they do it, but they hear very very well. If you see your cat staring at a wall or at "nothing", it is definitely "hearing" something.