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So you trained them to love you and love you they do. Suns are the neediest of all the parrots I have ever had. We lost Julian last year over Thanksgiving and I still miss him very much. He was our "baby." I'll bet when they are shrieking they are also fluttering their little wings and swaying from side to side. It's so darn cute.

The problem you have is that they are very needy and have learnt that you will respond to their shrieks. We had the same problem with Julian. He had to learn that he was fine by himself and during that time we had to learn to IGNORE that persistant and obnoxious shrill that feels like it is cutting right through you. Man I miss that sound. I know crazy, but they also do it when they are just plain happy, excited, sad, lonely, bored, scared, angry.......pretty much for every reason. Thankfully for you they aren't into screaming to their demon the way cockatoos are. I have 2 of those too. Anyway one thing we did with Julian was tell him no in a firm voice and ignore him (I know it's hard) and then rewarding him when he was quite. For rewards we would give him a grape or a piece of apple or something like that and pick him up and play with him a bit, but only when he was being quite. Julian soon learnt and so will yours. Once we got him to quite down then we let him have his wings back over winters only. That way he could come and go as he pleased. He would spend just as much time back on his perch as he would hiding down one of our shirts. Of course Julian was potty trained and would always fly back to his perch to go. Gosh I miss that boy. Good luck with you two!

Yes they both flutter their wings and go from side to side when they do it. Their names are Sonny and Sammie. I have another problem with Sonny to. He is my bird and only likes me. Tolerates others but only for so long. He also just wants to be taken out and then put on your shoulder and left alone. I have got him to the point where he doesnt run for my shoulder everytime he is out and will let me pet his back but that is it. How do i make him more friendly? He came from a home where he was for show. They had a huge house and put him in a cage to look pretty and never touched him. Sammie on the other hand is nice as can be. But he is my fiance's. Sammie will let me take him out and play a little but not like my fiance can which i am completely fine with. Just want to make Sonny a little better.

Sammie loves hiding in shirts to lol. Sorry about Julian

Most of mine have been rescues from similar or much worse conditions. What people fail to realize when they purchase a bird like a parrot is that they are flock animals. They need to have interaction with their flock being that human or animal. It's sad really as it is abuse that some of those people also do with their children.

Suns are very needy birds, but also very much monagamous if allowed. That is they will chose their one favorite person and apply all their affection to that one. Some birds never develope a strong and loving bond while others will be so clingy you can't do anything with out them or they get very upset. Too which you usually get the tsk noise blown through their nares. I miss that.

When I met my husband he had never been around a parrot and my cockatoo had never been around a man. She was extremely timid and would jump at the least provokation which led to her getting a life threatening injury. I had to lay down the law. Niki would be required to perch back and forth from my husband to me and would be given only that as attention. Cockatoos are almost as neorotic as a human so she needed to know that I accepted him and expected her to also. She will never love my husband but will perch for him when needed. Louie my other cockatoo on the other hand will go to anyone. Julian was suspicious of my husband and very territorial over me. He would puff all up and sway back and forth with his beak wide open trying to appear the big mean bird looking for an opportunity to bite. Really all it does is make them look like cute stuffed birds to me. Makes you want to scoop them up and cuddle them. Anyway I did the same thing with Julian. I made him perch back and forth leaving him longer and longer. Eventually he discovered that my husband had something I didn't. Whiskers are awesome grooming bristles. It reminded him of my older son, his owner, and he began to accept him. Of course whenever my son came home from the military we were lower than dirt in his eyes.

Suns love to find little areas to hide and play. We used to make little tents in blankets and let him run in and out of them. He would act like he was making a nest for us and it really helps with the bonding. We would just lay on the couch or floor and watch a movie and let him play around. Sometimes we would crawl under the blanket with him and snuggle. Julian loved that. Eventually we started using stuffed animals that he needed to defend his mommy or John from. Now that is puffy. And the bond was built so strong that when my son did leave for the military he never forgot him and each time he came home Julian was in heaven. Of course each time he left the poor little guy would go through a terrible bout of depression that eventually led to a heart attack and death. He just loved his John so very much. Poor little boy died of a broken heart.

Something else we used to do is similar to another bird grooming. We would brush our fingers against the growth of feathers. Especially around the ears and below the beak. It feels really good to them. Since you already allow your Sonny (my Sonny is an insanely funny African Grey) to perch on your shoulder you could try giving him treats with your lips. I know some people recomend against that, but it is similar to how a bird will attempt to feed another (without all the puking). Julian learnt to take food from our lips, spoons, or our fingers. Treats are an important resource when training or building a bond. My young sons little parrotlet will just eat right off the plate. Tiny Tim has a fondness for pork products. He's a teeny tiny little feathered pig.

The biggest thing is time. Sunny was ignored for however much time and has leart that humans are not to be trusted. He has developed a suspicious nature do to being an object d art. Now you need to undo that and reintroduce him to flock behavior. Given time he will come to be more comfortable and begin exhibiting that very wonderful nature of curiosity that suns are so known for. Just spend time with him. Just remember the worst thing you could do is forget that he is like a 18 month to two year old child that will always need you and you will get so much love in return.

I'm so jealous you get to play with and recieve all the love of TWO of the most loveable parrots there are. Good luck!
 
Haha i wish i had the love of both of them!!! Sonny is my boy and will bite everyone else. Including my fiance if he tries to get him to perch. He has been kinda broken of that and will allow Jodge to pick him up. But after about 5 mins or so he will jump off and come looking for me. Sonny was actually bought as a birthday present for Jodge and a couple months later when he liked me more we got Sammie. Sammie doesnt like me at all. I can get him out of the cage and let him stand on my finger but thats it. Unless he comes to me. Then its usually to hide in my shirt lol. Sammie will let Jodge flip him and pet him all over and do pretty much anything with him. Sonny wont let anyone but me pet him or hold him for any length of time. Sonny also loves showers! He likes to be held under the water and drink it at the same time. Then i will put him on the rack and he will make his purr trill happy sounds. We play with both alot and they run all over our place. There is never a time now when they are quiet.

How did you potty train Julian? Would love to teach mine that.
 
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Don't worry if you are persistant and consistant you will win them both over.


Potty training takes time and diligence just like with a child. You feed them and something is gonna come out the other end. We would take Julian, or any of our parrots, back to their perch every 15 minutes or so and tell them to go poo. Sometimes they did by shere accident, but then you praise them and gives them all kinds of love. They naturally want to repeat whatever they did to make you that happy again. So they will try to figure out what they did. If they are starting to get the hang of it and will fake it by going through the whole body motion but nothing comes out then they are just testing you. It does take a lot of time and repetition, but it is so worth it when you dont have to change your shirt all the time. Sometimes Julian would refuse to go and want back onto us. He would have to stay there until he went. Once he went poo he could come back onto us. That was his reward, and ours was not going to the store and looking like we sat under a pigeon perch. Repeat the word what ever you decide to use every time you put him down and he will get the hang of it. Repetition repetition repetition and of course praise and reward. The first time it works you will be so excited, but wait at least 15 minutes to try it again. Poor little bugger has to have a bit of time to work up the poo.

My African Grey got into the habit of saying "go poo" for us every time we put one of the parrots down. Now they go for her too! She then tells them they are good sometimes, but more likely that they are naughty or something else. She thinks she is in charge. Sometimes I let her believe it. She will tell us when she has to go. Julian would do the same except he didn't put it into words. His was a very loud shriek, and if you didn't respond he would go on you and then move to your other shoulder. Accidents do happen sometimes, but usually they can be avoided. Knowing your bird and actually paying attention when they have something to say is the key. Sometimes we would get really busy and not even notice that he was still on us. That's when he started flying back to his perch to go poo. Then he would sit and shriek as we hadn't come and given him praise for not pooing on us. Eventually he got brave enough to come flying back. We got so used to his behavior that we took so much for granted with that little guy, but now remember what an amazing little boy he was. Julain's arch nemisis Pickle, my Quaker, once tried to emulate his flying and Julian attacked her in the air. She just kind of dances around when she has to go now. It reminds me of a little kid trying to hold it. Once she goes she will say in her cute little elfish voice "come here" if she wants to be picked back up.
 
oh gosh memememe.

I have an 8 soon to be 9 year old cockatiel hen.

In the past 2 years she has become extremely aggressive toward me. She won't step up anymore, she won't come to me anymore. She goes broody all the time. She also rips her feathers out along her wings and rump.

She's been to 3 vets and they all say stress. I don't know how else to eliminate stress. My other hen isn't experiencing any of these symptoms!!
 
Yep, pet birds do enjoy interacting with their owners:

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I my gosh a baby! I'm so so very jealous. I remember when Julian was that young and so very sweet. Well he was normally very sweet, but A BABY! Suns are the only parrot I've ever had that could huge like that. Others will hide in my hair or play, but suns just give so much love. Wow I think I'm gonna cry. I miss that little twerp so very much. You are oh so very very lucky. Thanks for sharing the photo. My older son, the one whom Julian owned,would love to see that. He will be reminded of some pretty happy times, and it will bring a smile to his face while he contemplates what to buy his little brother for Xmas.
 
Actually the bird in the photo (the one with the feathers not the big nose) is an adult Sunday (Hybrid sun/nanday) that was given to me when her owner died. She had been in a foster home for over a year before she came to me. The folks were attached to her but they were really a dog rescue, and this bird needed a bird brain for an owner.

"Andy" arrived squawking and screeching in the manner only a conure can perform. Andy had many female mannerisms and I asked the foster folks if 'he' was a 'she'? They insisted Andy was a male, and with typical conure flare Andy laid an egg for me several months later. So Andy is now called, 'Sassy Ann'. Of all the birds I have she has the most personality. She loves her rope toys and loves to weave gifts for me.


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The cross must give the similar feathering as a under 18 month sun. When we were looking for a bird for my older son he actually fell in love with a Sunday. We asked them to hold the bird and put down a deposit. Went home ordered a cage and toys. We didn't prepurchase as I needed to know what size bird for what size cage. Everything arrived in 3 days. Went to pick up the bird. He was gone. They had sold him to someone else. My son was so understandably upset. We then looked for a few more months until we found Julian (we had him dna tested right away so we could name him). Took him home and Sonny promptly named him Sofia which she called him until the day he died.

The really funny thing is that when my son looked at the picture at first he thought it was a pick of me and Julian when he was a baby. My hair was cut in a similar fashion, was about the same color and facial features are almost spot on. I guess I didn't see it until he pointed it out and then went and got a photo alblum of Julian. He took the photo alblum home to reminise.

I'm so happy that you were able to take the little girl in and give her a happy home. That's the thing many people don't realize when they get a parrot. Often times they can out live us. Lucky for me I raised one and am in the process of raising another bird lover. Both my boys will happily step in to take care of my feathered children if something were to happen to me. Except Pickle. She hates them both. She's such a momma's girl, and she will also lay me a few eggs here and there. Never had a broody hen be quite as vicious as my sweet little Pickle.
 
What memories my photo stirred up! What a nice story of your birds. Rather sad the other was sold out from under you. I think the Sundays are more vibrant in color than the Sun Conure. Both are equally noisy though! Please share photos of your birds! I wanna see!
 
Here are my 2 flocksalot.

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The one in front with the reder head is Sonny. The back one is Sammie. Tried to get a picture for you of Sonny doing his wing flutter for me but he kept moving lol.

Today Sonny did a first though. When i first woke up and went out to where they are i was greeted with an "I love you" from Sonny even though he was still covered. Made my day start out good. I am the only one he will talk to besides making clicking noises. Have to work on potty training them.


If you have any pictures of Julian i would love to see him.
 

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