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[appps]

Do any of you hatch in egg cartons? Last year (same breeder) I had five I think from memory, fully formed but never hatched. I'm wondering, after seeing the loose air cell on the one under my broody, if it was due to detached air cells being in the wrong place.

I've been reading on hatching shipped eggs in egg cartons and thought this might help but want to get it right. So I don't actually put them in upright at lockdown do I? I'm thinking it would need to be on a slight angle with the air cell sort to the top?

 

[appps]

I was surprised at the washing. I'd mentioned I carefully blotted the goo off the good eggs from the broken with a paper towel because I didn't want to get them wet and she said she always washes and uses a Brillo on tough spots.

 

[satay]

Do any of you hatch in egg cartons? Last year (same breeder) I had five I think from memory, fully formed but never hatched. I'm wondering, after seeing the loose air cell on the one under my broody, if it was due to detached air cells being in the wrong place.

I've been reading on hatching shipped eggs in egg cartons and thought this might help but want to get it right. So I don't actually put them in upright at lockdown do I? I'm thinking it would need to be on a slight angle with the air cell sort to the top?

I have never hatched in an egg carton. I put mine pointy end down for the first 18 days then lay flat for hatch. Fully formed but not hatched could be a number of things. Humidity to high can cause them to drown or humidity too low will cause shrink wrapping and they can't pip they membrane to get out. Sometimes you just get late quitters too. I use 45% humidity for days 1 to 18 and 65% for hatch, A few degrees either way if fine.

 

[satay]

I was surprised at the washing. I'd mentioned I carefully blotted the goo off the good eggs from the broken with a paper towel because I didn't want to get them wet and she said she always washes and uses a Brillo on tough spots.

Some people really have no idea and should not be selling hatching eggs. By washing them she is removing the protective layer which keeps out bacteria etc.

 

[Fancychooklady]

Do any of you hatch in egg cartons? Last year (same breeder) I had five I think from memory, fully formed but never hatched. I'm wondering, after seeing the loose air cell on the one under my broody, if it was due to detached air cells being in the wrong place.

I've been reading on hatching shipped eggs in egg cartons and thought this might help but want to get it right. So I don't actually put them in upright at lockdown do I? I'm thinking it would need to be on a slight angle with the air cell sort to the top?

There are a few causes for ' quitters ' , could be temperature related, handling and even upper respiratory issues in the parent flock. Shipped eggs are always a little risky.
I always store eggs pointy end down, below 16 degrees and no longer than 10 days.
Once you wash the ' bloom ' off the eggs the porous she'll starts to absorb light and bacteria. If you are lucky enough to have any hatch , your risk of mushy chick disease is much greater.
Best to tell your supplier this as she is most likely unaware of it .

 

[appps]

I have never hatched in an egg carton. I put mine pointy end down for the first 18 days then lay flat for hatch. Fully formed but not hatched could be a number of things. Humidity to high can cause them to drown or humidity too low will cause shrink wrapping and they can't pip they membrane to get out. Sometimes you just get late quitters too. I use 45% humidity for days 1 to 18 and 65% for hatch, A few degrees either way if fine.

The non hatchers last time were all under a broody so would have all laid flat the whole time.

I've brought the one good one this time under her inside and put in the incubator with the other one that is still growing. The incubator one seems to have a better positioned air cell so though its probably too late at day 12 for the other one to change, I figured it couldn't hurt to see if it moved upwards at all. The air cell moved to the side as I candled so think it's totally detached.

 

[Fancychooklady]

The non hatchers last time were all under a broody so would have all laid flat the whole time.

I've brought the one good one this time under her inside and put in the incubator with the other one that is still growing. The incubator one seems to have a better positioned air cell so though its probably too late at day 12 for the other one to change, I figured it couldn't hurt to see if it moved upwards at all. The air cell moved to the side as I candled so think it's totally detached.

Momma hen moves the egg continuously throughout incubation. This article of Sally Sunshines is the best resource for anyone hatching.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101

 

[appps]

That is a great read!

I just meant these poor eggs obviously had a rough trip as both times they were badly packed and eggs were broken so wondered if any detached air cells might have had more problems getting reattached and in the right spot while on their sides under a broody rather than big side up in an incubator.

 

[Fancychooklady]

That is a great read!

I just meant these poor eggs obviously had a rough trip as both times they were badly packed and eggs were broken so wondered if any detached air cells might have had more problems getting reattached and in the right spot while on their sides under a broody rather than big side up in an incubator.

No matter what you do the outcome will probably be the same. The eggs have endured a malady of errors. I agree with satay, people should stick with what they know and your supplier obviously knows little about handling eggs. Perhaps you could print off the correct procedure from Sally's article and give it to her.
There is also a good link on detached air cell .

 

[RodneyRooster]

Rip and condolences locknest :-( very saddening to lose your last original, i dread the day. I agree surely a snake wouldnt just kill a full grown hen and leave those perfectly tasty little chicks alone..

Wash the eggs?!?!?! Even I (total noob!) Know that you dont wash the eggs!!!! Not for hatching or eating it loses all of its protection and preservation! Dont go back to them.

Satay I could always ask if my LS breeder would ship eggs? Could send you some of mine but of course the chances of getting pure breds arent high with mine homed together.