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Hey there Annie I did not think you were being critical and I am familiar with anthropomorphising.

I think that sometimes we can mistake anthropomorphising with the use of human characteristics as a description of an action. Putting a human characteristic on the action gives people the ability to imagine the action.

For instance while Dusty might be described as “whinging” she isn’t whinging, she is vocalising that she is going to lay an egg but ‘whinging’ aids in the imagination/description of how that action appears.

If I can, I agree that chickens would not deliberately misbehave or cause a fuss just because they want attention but ‘misbehave’ or ‘cause a fuss’ are also human characteristics that we use to describe their actions.

I do, however, believe that they understand action/reaction or cause/effect and have learnt that some of their actions result in the appearance of a human and possibly because we are well trained, food or free range.

Dusty was whinging [
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] that she was going to lay an egg this morning and KiKi was honking in response. Now that Dusty has quietly settled onto the nest box to actually do the deed, KiKi is quietly pottering around the run. None of that was for my benefit and was simply chickens being chickens and what I need to do is work out a way to allow them to be chickens without annoying the humans.

The girls do not free range in the morning except on the weekend. However, at the risk of sounding silly, I do believe they know when it is the weekend because of the environmental sounds around them. Fewer cars, quieter streets, different noises from inside the human house means that they get to free range around 10-10:30am and use their action [vocalising] to achieve a reaction [free ranging].

On a week day free range is nearly always started at 4pm and they start vocalising around 3-3:15pm until they are let out.

Sometimes they get their days wrong and vocalise at 10ish for a while during the week and then actually settle for the day and start up again around 3pm.

I see this in Chimee [cat] also. She loves being in her outside run and during the week, starts doing a little dance around the 4pm mark because she is going to go outside and ‘asks’ to do just that. However, again by using environmental triggers, she seems to know when it is the weekend and starts doing her little dance in the morning.

I doubt that I will ever be able to ‘keep KiKi quiet’ per say because she is just doing what the other girls do with the difference that she is louder. But, hopefully, I can come up with a ‘distraction’.

If the planned addition of more space does not help, I am considering separation and using the ‘hospital’ coop for those times her vocalising may be annoying others.

I am actually enjoying the discussion, thoughts and differing opinions around chicken behaviour.

Edited to add: I thought I should add here that we are a very routine household, may be moreso than others and many things are done at around the same time every day or on the same day every week etc.

I believe our animals have picked up on this routine and use it as their ‘clock’.

Hey Fancy I think I need to have “Beautiful Pictures, as per usual” as a macro or copy and paste because yep, once again, you have shared some beautiful pics!

Hi Teila ....

Have read your reply and agree with you in many aspects.

First - some others here have suggested that neighbours etc. don't hear - e.g. as people don't hear trains passing - or alarm clocks going off. When Mindy Araucana started in on her crow/shriek bizzo - very very loudly - I asked all neighbours all sides, if it was annoying to them .... one lot said they'd never heard her, the other side had heard her and thought it was just wonderful to hear a chicken announcing things to the world " very peaceful " was said, and the back neighbours replied with "do you mind if I throw some of our scraps over the fence - we love the sound of your chickens" !! . I had to reply politely that only the outer leaves of greens can come over the fence and nothing else ( I could see yesterdays' left over chips, bread, meat etc. being thrown !!! ) and explained that I keep them on a strict diet ( which I do - sort of ) .... and he agreed, with much delight actually. Since then I have only seen the occasional lettuce and cauli greens chucked over.
So there ya go. !!

I am as guilty as sin at anthropomorphising my animals. At the same time though, I do acknowledge, accept and enjoy - the way they can communicate with humans for what they need.
Dogs e.g. learn to give their owners ' the look ' for when they want to go outside and do their toilet. It is a very specific 'look' and I do not subscribe any human attributes to that. It is what a dog learns to do, to get his/her message across about needing a pee.

Have always watched and learned - from my animals - their forms of communication and they sure do communicate. It is up to me to understand them. Likewise, they learn words from our language that stimulate them to respond. Chooks do the same. I have managed to teach my hens the word " BED " ... and without fail, they turn from whatever they think is interesting, and toddle off into the coop for the evening. I am still working on the "NO" ... they haven't quite cottoned on to that yet. !!!
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but I think they will.

And animals / birds, know what time is ... spot on with their changes in behaviour at various times of the day, depending on what is supposed to happen at ( whenever ). Like all my dogs over the years - without exception. Around 4 pm they'd become restless, go to the window - look out, pace around ----- because Daddy was due home. 3 out of the 5 of them, were spot on - and I think their hearing accounted for that. A dog can 'hear' the sound of a particular engine, or thunder miles and miles away ( which we cannot hear ) and begin to react.

Chooks shriek, crow, whinge, grumble, cackle, talk, honk, purr, grunt and just generally make chook noises. We have no other way to describe the sounds they make - except to describe as we humans hear them. I sometimes wonder what the chooks think. !!!
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You are a very kind Mum to be concerned about your sons' rest and sleep patterns, but I do think, like others here, that he will get used to it - especially if he uses his ear plugs which will lessen the din. Otherwise, ask your neighbours, take on board their comments and reactions ........ and RELAX. Let Kiki shriek to the heavens .... but separating them might be an exercise worth the trouble, just to see what difference it might make. If you want.

It is still my thought that Kiki is practicing her art at being dominant over all she surveys. Again - I refer back to dogs. A dog doesn't understand Home Titles and the boundaries of a property.
What they SEE, which could be many hundreds of metres, is what they claim to be their territory - and will bark, growl etc. to protect that territory. Never mind that the Street or paths opposite belong to the Country Roads Authority - or the Council ....
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.... If they can see it - it belongs to them.

Always good to talk to you Teila ....

Cheers, and have a good weekend. ........
 
I am still working on the "NO" ... they haven't quite cottoned on to that yet. !!!
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but I think they will.
I don't know whether I mentioned this before, but I went "NO! Don't!" (in my growly dog command voice and with a finger up) to one of my big girls when she was going to leap on my little girls, and she stopped and looked at me, and didn't leap on the little girl. I found it quite interesting. I doubt I'd be able to deter them from eating or something they thought more important.
 
I don't know whether I mentioned this before, but I went "NO! Don't!" (in my growly dog command voice and with a finger up) to one of my big girls when she was going to leap on my little girls, and she stopped and looked at me, and didn't leap on the little girl. I found it quite interesting. I doubt I'd be able to deter them from eating or something they thought more important.

Doesn't surprise me potato chip.

I think all domesticated animals / birds, respond to a particular note in a humans' voice. Agree, don't think you'd be able to stop them eating something - but you can stop a dog munching on something that is not good for him/her. " LEAVE IT " is my command for that - to Miss Ruby ( and all my other dogs previously ) and they have / do.

The cats ? Nope ... get lost Mum. Difficult to get something out of a cats mouth too .... at least I have found in the past.

My rice mix goodies for the girls, produces some odd behaviour at times. So I stand 'guard' while they demolish most of it. Initially, Molly RIR pushes Mandy Welsummer out of the way " This is Mine", so I have to hold her back with my hand, until she settles down. THEN, Mandy most always pecks at Mollys' comb with a bit of a shriek - which has Molly backing off. I only have to put my hand on the leaf rake nearby, for Mandy to wander ( nonchalently or so it seems !! ) back into the coop. I have never touched her with it - just waved it around on odd occasions yelling "NO". She gets the message. I think she has learned that the rake means she has to back off. They usually then settle down to peacefully sharing the remainder of the goodies.

And that's me - anthropomorphising again ......
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Cheers .......
 
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I think all domesticated animals / birds, respond to a particular note in a humans' voice. Agree, don't think you'd be able to stop them eating something - but you can stop a dog munching on something that is not good for him/her. " LEAVE IT " is my command for that - to Miss Ruby ( and all my other dogs previously ) and they have / do.
Yes, it was my "leave it!" tone that she got, and she responded to. The thing is, with birds, they aren't supposed to respond to being growled at (I did it automatically and without thinking). To get them to do things you want, you just are supposed to let them, and then reinforce it when (if) they do it. I was surprised that she stopped. I expect it was as you say, she just reacted to my tone and went "oh, okaay"
 
Good morning Folks
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Lol at “intervention” potato chip
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Fancy those pictures are just beautiful! I especially like the rocking chair one.

CTKen nice to see you over this part of the world and many thanks for your thoughts.

Thank You also appps.

I sit here this morning listening to the Doves coo, the Crows caw, the neighbour’s dog bark and hubby sneezing and realise that rehoming KiKi is drastic because if these things do not wake him up, he must have adjusted to those and yep, he just needs to adjust to KiKi.

Hi there RuthiePoo, nice to meet you. Looking forward to hearing about your flock also.

Annie I got such a chuckle at “Chooks shriek, crow, whinge, grumble, cackle, talk, honk, purr, grunt and just generally make chook noises”. Yep, and all in the space of 10 minutes
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Lol at the cats .. yep, they are a whole different kettle of fish. While their ears give away the fact that they have heard you; their ignoring of you is obvious
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I truly believe the gals know when it is cheese day. As I mentioned previously in the thread, they share a very small piece of cheese every Sunday afternoon. Not too hard for them to work out when that is .. it is always towards the end of the second day of nearly all day free range. We have made a point of spelling out c h e e s e on Sundays
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I can also growl at them or say their name in a ‘your in trouble tone’ and they stop and look.

We had a good day yesterday; after my son closed his window at 05:30am he did not surface until 09:30am which I think was a pretty good sleep in.

While I say we had a good day yesterday, not so sure KiKi, Crystal and LuLu would agree. Their day started out with the indignity of having their butts washed and they were not overly impressed. In my defence, they should not have such fluffy butts and should put more thought into the whole pooping process
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Then they got to spend the whole day pottering around in the garden, between rain showers, while I cleaned the coop and water containers and pottered in the garden. For lunch they got sardines which are always a hit. I think I have mentioned before, I swear Blondie has a death wish and she has opted for death by garden fork or spade
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and yep, he just needs to adjust to KiKi.
I agree that he will... When I was young I lived in 2 places on 2 very busy roads. One place was right next to the traffic lights and it was a major highway used by trucks. I slept ok in my bedroom at the front of the house. I also lived in a flat which backed onto the train track and I adjusted to the trains and didn't even notice them. (visitors would go "what's THAT?" and I'd go "What?") It really is possible to adjust to noises and learn to ignore them completely.

Maybe you could fit one of those automatic hen doors to your son's window, then he won't have to get up to close it? LOL
 

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