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Was reading this thing came up on my Facebook feed about how the FDA in America has admitted they allow arsenic in chicken feed and it's been found in the flesh of the then processed chicken meat. Anyone know if the same is true in Australia? So hard to find real facts and not scaremongering.

 

[Fancychooklady]

Was reading this thing came up on my Facebook feed about how the FDA in America has admitted they allow arsenic in chicken feed and it's been found in the flesh of the then processed chicken meat. Anyone know if the same is true in Australia? So hard to find real facts and not scaremongering.

Roxazone has been added to chicken feed since the 1940's and yes it is said to convert to inorganic arsenic. Chicken and rice contain traces of organic arsenic.
The old saying ' you are what you eat ' holds enormous significance in today's society and to go along blindly trusting that others will be doing the right thing by you and your loved ones is folly.
While the FDA are forcing Pfizer to remove it from the American feeds , they are not obligated to remove it in other countries such as Australia
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2015/02/how-you-can-avoid-low-level-arsenic-in-rice-and-chicken/

Ever heard anyone say ' cancers seem to be far more prevalent nowadays ?'
Food for thought!

 

[Fancychooklady]

Love that aus is on top and they didn't leave tassie out.

 

[Anniebee]

Annie you may have missed my earlier post, but my point is that the use of antibiotics in our food chain is widely accepted . The FDA has given the industry until the end of 2016 to remove it . We've all seen the campaign about the over prescribing of antibiotics in medicine , what chance do we have if it is routinely used in the beef, poultry, pork and lamb industries ?
I have spoken with my feet, and walked away from medicated chick starter. There are alternative anticocidants on the market and one can only assume that their decision to use lasalocid sodium is one of economics.

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2015/12/14/adufa-2014/

Fancy .... I must have missed your earlier post - and this subject has been raised before, so I am not sure to which post you refer.

However, despite my being trusting of Barastoc not to 'hang themselves in reputation' by introducing too much anticoccidants into the chick starters and pullet growers, I am also much more on the side of natural foods, natural eating ( for humans, animals and chickens ). Barastoc ( and all poultry / horse / dog / cat feed producers ) would be out of business very quickly, if they overdosed things, and this can be checked by chemical analysis.

My original thinking was based on the fact that small chicks, and growing pullets do not lay eggs, and are not at the correct weight or size for meat eating. The pullet finishers and laying chicken foods I use, do not contain any anticoccidants. Pullets and older hens are also of the age and size to eat. ( sorry to the egg laying chook owners here ).

The fat chicken theory .... if anyone is as ancient as myself

... they would remember having a home chicken for Sunday lunch. They were never 'fat' ... they were skinny but tender enough, by comparison to todays' overstuffed chooks, who also perhaps still get growth hormones and other rotten stuff ( despite growth hormones being banned here, allegedly for the past 40 years ??

pardon my paranoia on that one ).

There are many cynical practices in the production of food stuffs for all living creatures.

One small ( but gross ) example of this, is garlic. Most everyone would have seen the lovely clean white garlic, packed in red net bags - and sold at a much cheaper price than the purple skinned ( Australian grown ) garlic. The white garlic comes from China, is grown in human excreta, ( not the bio-dynamic style that is properly matured for organic farming - here in Australia ) .... but is a willy nilly growing style - and the garlic when harvested is doused in bleach ( I presume to 'kill' off excreta germs ) .... hence its' white appearance. It is also sprayed with methyl bromide - a highly toxic substance, and often, a growth retardant to stop the garlic sprouting while in storage ). The minced garlic ( "made in China" bottles ) would be even more suspect if that is possible. Yet - there it sits on our shelves and in the vegie display cases.

That's just ONE of many.

I totally agree with your later post and the comment - " cancers seem to be so prevalent these days - food for thought" Our vegetables ( despite what Coles, Woollies and others might claim ) are indeed sprayed with insecticides and pesticides, mercilessly. I won't even feed my chickens ( let alone us ) with outer leaves of any greens, unless thoroughly soaked x 2 and hand washed. Not only food, but the water we drink !! ... loaded with chemicals which can be so easily smelled on it exiting the tap. I use boiled water myself, but apparently that does not diminish all the nasties in water, unfortunately.

Sorry this has been such a long reply, but thought that also for the benefit of others, I might toss in that gross garlic subject ....

Cheers .......

 

[MyHaven]

Thanks for the starter feed info. I haven't had a chance to read past page 2829 but I'll get back to it.

I need your help

I have had a rolling sickness through my flock.

The first signs were a little over a week ago. But the birds affected recovered quickly. 1 to 2 days.
It starts with a sneeze, some cough, one has a runny nose (watery not coloured or mucus), some are slowed down but others very lethargic. One had the swinging head/neck movement like they get with the gasp. That didn't last longer than 12 hours. Most appetites are fine. Everyone is eating at least enough to not waste. One d'uccle had a gluggy eye, ointment on it and it came good within the day it showed no other signs of sickness while a couple others look congested - puffy not weeping eyes.

My head hen couldn't hold her head up very well last night. I held my breath when I checked on her this morning. She was up eating and drinking really well.

It is effecting all ages from the oldest 4 years to youngest 8 weeks.

They get sick for a day or two and the come good, then the next one or two get sick.

This morning when feeding my indoor cockatiel it sneezed. Oh no.

 

[sjturner79]

Fancy .... I must have missed your earlier post - and this subject has been raised before, so I am not sure to which post you refer.   

However, despite my being trusting of Barastoc not to 'hang themselves in reputation' by introducing too much anticoccidants into the chick starters and pullet growers, I am also much more on the side of natural foods, natural eating ( for humans, animals and chickens ).   Barastoc ( and all poultry / horse / dog / cat feed producers ) would be out of business very quickly, if they overdosed things, and this can be checked by chemical analysis.    

My original thinking was based on the fact that small chicks, and growing pullets do not lay eggs, and are not at the correct weight or size for meat eating.   The pullet finishers and laying chicken foods I use, do not contain any anticoccidants.   Pullets and older hens are also of the age and size to eat.  ( sorry to the egg laying chook owners here ).  

The fat chicken theory .... if anyone is as ancient as myself  ... they would remember having a home chicken for Sunday lunch.   They were never 'fat' ... they were skinny but tender enough,  by comparison to todays' overstuffed chooks, who also perhaps still get growth hormones and other rotten stuff ( despite growth hormones being banned here, allegedly for the past 40 years ?? pardon my paranoia on that one ).    

There are many cynical practices in the production of food stuffs for all living creatures.  

One small ( but gross ) example of this, is garlic.   Most everyone would have seen the lovely clean white garlic, packed in red net bags - and sold at a much cheaper price than the purple skinned ( Australian grown ) garlic.   The white garlic comes from China, is grown in human excreta, ( not the bio-dynamic style that is  properly matured for organic farming - here in Australia ) ....  but is a willy nilly growing style - and the garlic when harvested is doused in bleach ( I presume to 'kill' off excreta germs ) .... hence its' white appearance. It is also sprayed with methyl bromide - a highly toxic substance, and often,  a growth retardant to stop the garlic sprouting while in storage ).    The minced garlic ( "made in China" bottles ) would be even more suspect if that is possible.  Yet - there it sits on our shelves and in the vegie display cases.  

That's just ONE of many.    

I totally agree with your later post and the comment  - " cancers seem to be so prevalent these days  - food for thought"   Our vegetables ( despite what Coles, Woollies and others might claim ) are indeed sprayed with insecticides and pesticides, mercilessly.   I won't even feed my chickens ( let alone us ) with outer leaves of any greens, unless thoroughly soaked x 2 and hand washed.  Not only food, but the water we drink !!  ... loaded with chemicals which can be so easily smelled on it exiting the tap.   I use boiled water myself, but apparently that does not diminish all the nasties in water, unfortunately.

Sorry this has been such a long reply, but thought that also for the benefit of others, I might toss in that gross garlic subject ....  

Cheers .......             

Yes it is amazing the amount of toxic chemicals that the law requires to be added to water to be considered SAFE for drinking.

On another note I need to find out a new solution for a cat flap as both blackie and amber figured out the cat tunnel today and were in the laundry stealing cat food.

 

[LuckysMum]

Fancy .... I must have missed your earlier post - and this subject has been raised before, so I am not sure to which post you refer.



The fat chicken theory .... if anyone is as ancient as myself

... they would remember having a home chicken for Sunday lunch. They were never 'fat' ... they were skinny but tender enough, by comparison to todays' overstuffed chooks, who also perhaps still get growth hormones and other rotten stuff ( despite growth hormones being banned here, allegedly for the past 40 years ??

pardon my paranoia on that one ).


One small ( but gross ) example of this, is garlic. Most everyone would have seen the lovely clean white garlic, packed in red net bags - and sold at a much cheaper price than the purple skinned ( Australian grown ) garlic. The white garlic comes from China, is grown in human excreta, ( not the bio-dynamic style that is properly matured for organic farming - here in Australia ) .... but is a willy nilly growing style - and the garlic when harvested is doused in bleach ( I presume to 'kill' off excreta germs ) .... hence its' white appearance. It is also sprayed with methyl bromide - a highly toxic substance, and often, a growth retardant to stop the garlic sprouting while in storage ). The minced garlic ( "made in China" bottles ) would be even more suspect if that is possible. Yet - there it sits on our shelves and in the vegie display cases.

I use boiled water myself, but apparently that does not diminish all the nasties in water, unfortunately.


Cheers .......

Fancy I was told the reason the chickens we eat are so big is because the light is left on in the barns at night even the free range who go into barns at night a subject to 23 hours of light. So they feed 23 hours they get to the point were they can't stand any longer because their legs don't develop as quick as their bodies.

I try very hard not to buy anything not grown in Australia if its not grown here we don't eat it.

I was told boiled water didn't have some of the good stuff. I use a double filter on my tap water. It's so scary to think what we are drinking. Ours tastes metallic the filters do take the taste away.
I'm not sure I believe the bottled water is any better.

Love the worldly chook

MyHaven Sorry your chooks are sick. Sorry I can't help you. Hope they get better quickly.

 

[Fancychooklady]

Thanks for the starter feed info. I haven't had a chance to read past page 2829 but I'll get back to it.

I need your help

I have had a rolling sickness through my flock.

The first signs were a little over a week ago. But the birds affected recovered quickly. 1 to 2 days.
It starts with a sneeze, some cough, one has a runny nose (watery not coloured or mucus), some are slowed down but others very lethargic. One had the swinging head/neck movement like they get with the gasp. That didn't last longer than 12 hours. Most appetites are fine. Everyone is eating at least enough to not waste. One d'uccle had a gluggy eye, ointment on it and it came good within the day it showed no other signs of sickness while a couple others look congested - puffy not weeping eyes.

My head hen couldn't hold her head up very well last night. I held my breath when I checked on her this morning. She was up eating and drinking really well.

It is effecting all ages from the oldest 4 years to youngest 8 weeks.

They get sick for a day or two and the come good, then the next one or two get sick.

This morning when feeding my indoor cockatiel it sneezed. Oh no.

Sounds like one of the upper respiratory diseases . Mycoplasma gallisepticum and even infectious bronchitis will cause symptoms like sinus infection , swollen eyes and rattling when they breath. Have you introduced new birds recently ?

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps044

Either way the treatment is pretty much the same , 5 days of erythromycin or gentamicin , if you can find some.

 

[User395221]

I have had a rolling sickness through my flock.

Oh no, I'm sorry. I hope it's a minor inconvenience and not something "really bad". Unfortunately I don't know anything and can't help

I don't know how they grow the garlic overseas, all I know is that I bought some once and it never sprouted.... You know, when it gets a bit long in the tooth, it sprouts. No signs of life at all. I found that very odd. (BTW, you can get white-skinned garlic from Australia, the white and purple are just different varieties.)

 

[Fancychooklady]

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Oh no, I'm sorry.  I hope it's a minor inconvenience and not something "really  bad".  Unfortunately I don't know anything and can't help

I don't know how they grow the garlic overseas, all I know is that I bought some once and it never sprouted....  You know, when it gets a bit long in the tooth, it sprouts.  No signs of life at all.  I found that very odd.  (BTW, you can get white-skinned garlic from Australia, the white and purple are just different varieties.)  

Garlic is a seed so in order for it to come into Aus it has to be chemically treated. I grow my own but if I have to buy it , I only buy locally grown. Yes it comes in white and purple variety.