Autism and pesticieds!

[baltimoreharps]

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The word spectrum started being used because there are different levels (spectrums) of Autism and Aspergers. Most Aspergers people can function with society, but there are certain spectrums of that disorder that sets them apart. Austistic people settle inside themselves and it takes intense work to get them "out". Aspergers people are usually quite vocal, often show violent tendancies, and are OCD. Some to an extreme. My boss's son is Aspergers at the extreme end of things, and has been obsessed with the fact that he is part native American. He absolutely MUST attend every pow-wow that he can possibly get to or it leads to a major melt down. None of his own control either. He also has higher end violent tendancies. Besides that, he is a very likeable young man, and handsome to boot.

Not sure what my comments have to do with the title of this thread, but my two cents nonetheless.

Thank you! There are so many differeing levels of Autism that it is really no two people that are exactly alike on the spectrum. My oldest ds is on the high functioning but extreme side like Deb's boss's son. He can tell you everything you ever wanted to know (or not know, ever

) about all things trains, emergency equipment, piano, organ, Ham Radio and jazz and blues. He just added another instument to it lately, and I know now more about ocarina's than I ever wanted to, including the fact "That they are a Aztec instrument and while it's cool that it's a major component of the Zelda video games, it's much older than that. " (All said in a very matter of fact tone, lol. )
He's made incredible progress with the therapist we have here.

He was so locked inside of himself that he didn't understand the concept of a joke until he was 9.

Now, he understands the humor concept, much to our chagrin. He knows every groaner in the book.

He's not perfect, but he's cool in his own way. We're all still working with his meltdowns, (boy, do I know what you mean there, Debi!) on things that he is interested in and if it turns out that he can't attend a Ham Radiofest, train event, etc, it is not pretty!

After the blow up, DH and I talk to him and reinforce the training he's had from his therapist. Sometimes, it's ok, sometimes, he just needs to get into himself and process everything, then come back and try to talk about it.

Most people think that he's a cool kid, (oops, sorry, he's 18 now

) but they don't understand why he talks "at " them, rather than "with" them like NT's do in a regular conversation. And with the meltdowns do come the violent tendancies but not toward others or animals, he just can't get it together when told, "No, sorry, you can't go to such and such event. We already have plans." We just tell him to go to his room and to calm down. Lots of times, it involves him trying to argue back, then when that works, getting angry,then slamming doors, yelling and then just disconnecting from his anger as fast as it showed up after being told, "No, you aren't getting to go." After he gets back to himself, we talk about what happened, why his response wasn't appropriate, and what to do the next time something doesn't happen the way he wants it to go. It's a lot of 3 steps foward, 2 steps back a LOT of the time, but as the years go on, I know that he's never going to be NT, but he will find his place in society.

He has an absolutely brilliant mind!

It's just getting that brillant mind to slow down and focus on things he needs to have for life experience and to function daily that we're trying to put into his mind and attention at this time as a young adult. It's hard, but he's getting there.

 

[Mattemma]

It is possible that pesticides may cause some cases of autism.No different that lead causing brain injury.The possibility is there.With the stats now being more than 1 in 100 there is a need for everyone to look into this issue,because all of us will come in contact with people that suffer some degree of this disorder.

My hope is that more people are healed rather than having their symptoms controlled regardless of the cause.Lots of times even if you do find something that may have caused physical injury to the body.Even if you have no doubts as to the cause....others will shoot that theory down. Doesn't really matter in the end if you know and you are able to help yourself or your loved one recover for the exposure that result in injury.

I used to have a very detailed list of pesticides and the symptoms that it can cause in children.It was made for doctors.I might still have it,or some of it in my med files.Will have to look for it.I thought it was quite interesting. I know there is the national vaccine injury compensation program,but there is nothing you can turn too when it comes to THESE chemical injuries.Who would yuo even turn too to compensate for the exposure injury? Just another reason to grow your own and filter your water!

 

[geebs]

Baltimoreharps I have found that for my family.... nutrition is really a key....There are so many levels of this spectrum that you really have to have a complete profile of each person so that the weaknesses are identified so they can be managed... I have found for situations that will bring out volitility such as social events and hard changes in schedule a tool we use is GABA. It is an amino acid that works on the brain and is a really good calming agent. It comes in a sublinguil form and is relatively inexpensive. I will give it to myself and my son if we are going to do somethign that creates anxiety such as vacation..(not much fun trying to leave)... You get 3 aspberger ppl stressing in one house and boy o boy.... ha ha.... With our GABA we can get much accomplished without hitting a level 10 in the anxiety department. Use of drugs for my family is out....It causes phsycotic episodes.. Not pretty at all.. We have calm places that we maintain and a schedule that has structure but is fluid by design so that disturbances are less of a problem... We are teaching our son integration in society. It is difficult as spatial distance is important...Once we get that down... Talk low and slow and make eye contact etc....

My son's area of intense focus is on guns and machinery...(it makes public school not an option) and art...

My husbands is boats, computer and woodworking and mine is biologicals.... Chickens, horses, human nutrition... and photography

We are an unusual family and were asked to be part of a study.. Which of course Aspberger declines... he he... I am also an equine podiatrist and working with ppl in other parts of the world on natural hoofcare and nutrition to build a world base of knowledge.

Ppl do not realize how impacted or affected one can be or how high the hieghts can be.... An important factor is feeding....Asperbergers is typically nutrition poor due to lack of sensation or palate trouble.... Frequently being highly sensitive to taste and texture.... So supplements are important... One of us cannot take pills so we get subliguils and gummy vitamins.

I don't know if it is shots that the issue is... but I can tell you this... I cannot be around plastic...I have often wondered if all the cellophane and petrolium products have not created these issues... Since I am ultra sensitive to pesticides as well... and will have a violent attack if I am around sprayed stuff.....It lends some validity to the Not NT.

If anyone has questions from the "horses mouth" I would be glad to help.... I have become an expert at "myself" (as is often the casewith us) and understanding how my uneven profile works and how it works for most of us Not NT's.

Mattema I don't know that you can cure missing nuerological receptors... They are simply missing.... The mis-firing of these nuerons in the brain causes the brain to make a new path using already used receptors... The path is longer and winding and so the process that it takes that would normally be quick and immediate takes a while... Information is slowed way down and by the time it travels to where it needs to be is often forgotten or flawed... This is where the memory trouble comes in and the need for sameness for ability to recall. Any changes cause tremendous overload on the person and they get fatigued and eventually explosive.... The brain is pushed so far... I think the degree of impact is dependant on amount of nuerons affected and which ones. All this occurs on the frontal lobe.... which control sensation. Touch, sound, taste etc...

 

[Wifezilla]

autism has been linked to mercury in vaccines there is a lot of research on that and pesticides are connected with cancer such as prostate ie copper sulfate which is one of the reasons why it is so common now.

Sorry, the mercury link has been debunked.​

 

[geebs]

where? debunked by who?

thimerosal which is the agent in vaccines has been banned worldwide..... Because the mercury in it is that hazardous. These studies that have been "debunked" I would like to read them. There are worldwide studies on the use of mercury...no debunking on one study will satisfy my belief that we have affected our ppl in a very adverse and real way with mercury and pesticides....

It is kinda strange the the rise in autism and the amount of vaccines given to our children go up expotentially.. We are required to give our children 21 vaccines before they are 15 months old!!!!

 

[Wifezilla]

They stopped using thimerisol and the cases of autism DID NOT GO DOWN.

"The body of epidemiological evidence overwhelmingly shows that vaccines don't cause autism. Furthermore, the principal agent accused of having this effect (a mercury-based preservative called thimerosal) has long since been removed from most childhood vaccines. Yet autism rates have not declined."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/25/AR2010062502158.html

"A prominent British medical journal on Tuesday retracted a 1998 research paper that set off a sharp decline in vaccinations in Britain after the paper’s lead author suggested that vaccines could cause autism. The retraction by The Lancet is part of a reassessment that has lasted for years of the scientific methods and financial conflicts of Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who contended that his research showed that the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine may be unsafe.

But the retraction may do little to tarnish Dr. Wakefield’s reputation among parents’ groups in the United States. Despite a wealth of scientific studies that have failed to find any link between vaccines and autism, the parents fervently believe that their children’s mental problems resulted from vaccinations."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/health/research/03lancet.html

"Dr. Andrew Wakefield, the British physician who jump-started the scare about a link between the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism, manipulated and changed data to make his case in the 1998 Lancet paper, according to an investigation by the Sunday Times of London. The purported link has subsequently been refuted by a large number of epidemiological studies.

That Lancet paper said that the families of eight of 12 autistic children attending a routine clinic at Wakefield's hospital claimed that symptoms of autism developed within days after they were given the shot -- or the "jab," as the British call it. Wakefield and his colleagues also claimed to have found the measles virus in the children's intestines and that the virus caused an inflammatory bowel disease linked to autism.

But by studying confidential and public records, investigative reporter Brian Deer, who has been following the MMR controversy since the beginning, found a different story. Hospital and other records indicated that virtually all of the children had begun developing symptoms of autism well before the shot, Deer's report said. Hospital pathologists examining the children for signs of inflammatory bowel disease were unable to find it in most of the cases, Deer discovered, but Wakefield or someone on the team changed the data to make it appear as if the condition was found, Deer reported in the Times. At least one parent of a child in whose intestines the virus was said to have been found took samples to three other labs, which were unable to find the virus, Deer's report said."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/02/british-doctor.html


It isn't the vaccines people. Stop wasting everyone's time. Demand real research in to the link between vitamin D deficiency in the mother and autistic children.

 

[Wifezilla]

One more...

"Very recently, Dr. Darryl Eyles, of the University of Queensland, added his name to growing list of scientists who agree that vitamin D deficiency plays an important role in autism. (3) Writing in Acta Paediatrica, arguably the most read pediatric journal in the world, Dr. Eyles praised the vitamin D theory of autism as being "parsimonious," with the animal studies he has conducted over the last decade.

For the last 15 years, geneticists have tried and failed to find a common structural genetic abnormality in autism. What they have found is evidence of genetic damage; the genetic code is not properly regulated in autism, with multiple genes not being expressed, probably due to an environmental injury. As Dr. Kinney reports, vitamin D's mechanism of action is protection of the genome with direct regulation more than 1,000 human genes.

If the gestational and early childhood vitamin D deficiency theory of autism is true, the tragedy is more poignant in that physicians could prevent the disease with adequate daily doses of vitamin D during pregnancy and early childhood. Just as important, vitamin D's mechanism of action implies a treatment effect in autistic children.

This month, Acta Paediatrica, published yet another article on vitamin D and autism. This paper is open access; the pdf is free to download.(4) In the paper, Dr. Cannell reviews the evidence of vitamin D's involvement in autism, including evidence published after his original 2007 paper.(5)"
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/192774.php

Ok, I lied. Here is another...
"Abstract

OBJECTIVE: The aim of this study was to investigate the potential role of vitamin D in autism through serum level assessment. DESIGN: This was a case-controlled cross-sectional study. SETTING: The study was conducted at the Out-patient Clinic for "Children with Special Needs" at the Medical Services Unit of the National Research Centre in Cairo, Egypt. SUBJECTS: Seventy (70) children with autism diagnosed according to the DSM-IV criteria of the American Psychiatric Association were recruited for this study. The mean age +/- standard deviation (SD) of the patients was 5.3 +/- 2.8 years. Controls included 42 age-matched randomly selected healthy children of the same socioeconomic status (mean age +/- SD, 6.1 +/- 1.8 years). METHODS: Circulating levels of both forms of vitamin D (25(OH)D and 1,25(OH)(2)D) and serum calcium were measured for all subjects. Associations between vitamin D status, birth season, and clinical characteristics of autism were examined. RESULTS: Children with autism had significantly lower 25(OH)D (p < 0.00001) and 1,25(OH)(2)D (p < 0.005) as well as lower calcium (p < 0.0001) serum values than the controls. A significant positive correlation was obtained between 25(OH)D and calcium (correlation coefficient r = 0.309, p < 0.01) within the children with autism. No significant difference was found on comparison of birth month and season of birth between children with autism and healthy controls. Furthermore, associations linking parental consanguinity or convulsions with vitamin D could not be established.

CONCLUSIONS:
Serum values of 25(OH)D in the children with autism of this study could classify them as being "vitamin D inadequate," which lends support to the hypothesis that autism is a vitamin D deficiency disorder."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20569030

 

[geebs]

I agree that vitamin D deficiency is a problem as well... moreso than most as I take it daily.... It helps to metabolize all the vitamins that we take in and it is a fact that Autism and MS both are linked with Deficiency however it is impossible to overlook the overwhelming evidence in studies done around the globe regarding mercury and autism... The amount of studies with proof is staggering.... Is there a link with Vitamin D deficiency... I believe that also.... However, I cannot ignore the evidence in front of my face when my son was given a second round of shots and that sent him into a catatonic state... You can overlook a lot of studies but in your face it is really hard to ignore. I have him on vitamin D as well....It does help but does not replace the lack of nuerons that were destroyed.

There are many "therapies" including vitamin D supplement that help... That doesn't exclude the mercury thing... not at all.

 

[geebs]

And another thing.... The Swine Flu shot... It contained thermosal... Fact... So yes .... We ARE still using it... Today... yep... also a fact... there was legislation throwing out the mounting evidence and bringing studies to light that have little bearing on the US problem and we passed a bill that allowed for the use of thermosol and absolved companies like Merke etc.. from lawsuits regarding any future damages by the use of it, citing HOMELAND SECURITY. Hmmmmmmm Fact there is a proportional rise in cases of autism and shots... there IS a correlation.. That is readily found... Mercury is poisonous and damages the brain.... so does lead... That is why we have DEQ measures.... There is a Safe level for exposure....our children are waaaaay above it... Do the research on that... I have had my metals checked.. Yep and my childrens.. chelation therapies can help also...but once the damage is done...it is done. All the Vitamin D in the world will not replace radiation damage and mercury poisoning and lead poisoning...

But the retraction may do little to tarnish Dr. Wakefield’s reputation among parents’ groups in the United States. Despite a wealth of scientific studies that have failed to find any link between vaccines and autism, the parents fervently believe that their children’s mental problems resulted from vaccinations."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/health/research/03lancet.html


Why would all these thousands of parents reach the same conclusion idividually... Hmmmmm

I guess it is a draw... You have your perspective and I have mine.... We have different real life experiences... Mine include living with autism and raising children through it and with it.

I work with At risk youth and autism in a horse related integration therapy aimed at helping kids with autism reach out beyond themselves.. I am in the front line...I think prevention is going to have to step up... Whether it is pesticides, immunizations or Deficiencies... This problem will touch us all and is very close to it right now... My unique position allows me to have a real feel for them and their struggles as well as my own.

 

[Sillystunt]

i just feel bad for any parent , going through any hard times with a child.


My cuz has asbergers, i have family with adhd, add and good old behavior problems. Each one of their kids issues are hard on the family.

I will say that i have had some foster kids come in non-verbal, huge speech issues, wound like a jack rabbit and really EVIL. I don't have the skill or patience to deal with them so they get removed. My heart goes out to each parent working day in and day out to help these kids!!!!