Ayam cemani and Naked Neck mixing (with some moral questions)

[Appalachickens]

Actually I think it is the purebred people that should be held morally accountable, breeding a dog with good herding abilities or sheep that don’t need shearing (hair sheep) or cows that give better milk is just fine, but when our own human preferences, fads, or pretensions interfere with an animal’s ability to simply survive, we need to stop and ask is this in the best interest of the animal or for my own benefit? When a dog can’t breathe (pugs) or give birth naturally (French bulldogs) or gets lymphoma at 5 years of age because of excessive inbreeding to simply produce more golden retrievers then we have issues or the breed standard for the show ring has no correlation with the animal’s ability to survive in normal surroundings for said species (dairy cows or halter quarter horses) we need to rethink things. Yes, breeds should have their uses, uniqueness, and enthusiasts but not at the cost of the animals health and well-being. By all means enjoy your crossbreeding as it will certainly not jeopardize the welfare of your critters!

I agree about breeding for deformities. It's why I like the landrace idea - you start with chickens that you think might be well adapted to your particular climate and you let natural selection help develop a bird that is hardy and able to survive on its own. Hybrid vigor at its finest.

 

[ChickenMaster_]

i can make a rough breeding plan if you would like to make a geneticly stable flock of chickens

in the first generation there you would need to breed an AC rooster to female NN's.

Then when you have the children of those you could breed the female ofspring back to the AC rooster.

About half of the chicks in that cross would have a naked neck, keep only them. When they are adults you could select the blackest rooster and chickens and hatch the eggs

When those eggs hatch about 3/4 chicks would have nake necks, Keep only them then breed them with each other when they are adults.

keep only the blackest ones with naked necks in every generation then when you are done after maby 4-6 generations (depending on how luck you are you could be done faster) you have a new breed of Naked neck aiam cemani chicken's.

And sorry for bad english it ist my first languidge.

 

[EggzactlyRight]

i can make a rough breeding plan if you would like to make a geneticly stable flock of chickens

in the first generation there you would need to breed an AC rooster to female NN's.

Then when you have the children of those you could breed the female ofspring back to the AC rooster.

About half of the chicks in that cross would have a naked neck, keep only them. When they are adults you could select the blackest rooster and chickens and hatch the eggs

When those eggs hatch about 3/4 chicks would have nake necks, Keep only them then breed them with each other when they are adults.

keep only the blackest ones with naked necks in every generation then when you are done after maby 4-6 generations (depending on how luck you are you could be done faster) you have a new breed of Naked neck aiam cemani chicken's.

And sorry for bad english it ist my first languidge.

Thank you so much for the response!

I haven't been to active in a few months due to work, but it's nice seeing someone reply to a question I asked quite some time ago.

So basically I don't need female AC at all, unless I also want to keep pure AC as well? I've been thinking about having two flocks, but I'm not sure if I'd be able to separate them properly.

 

[SourRoses]

The flaw I see is the idea you will keep all of them, if I read that right.

I myself have a multi-year breeding project (still underway), and I've rehomed many more than I kept, yet I still have too many.
Sometimes birds come along that we bond with and they get a forever ticket. But necessity forces that to be rare. Most of the room in the coop has to go to useful birds in order for the project to get anywhere.
I should emphasize "currently useful". Every time a bird shows an improvement over the previous generation, they need a higher priority level over birds with less of the desired traits.

If you kept everything, the 50/50 sex ratio would produce a quantity of roos that would torture the pullets/ hens. This I find to be an immoral aspect of chicken keeping.
Simply mixing the genetics is not a moral issue. Perhaps those people meant something like meat hybrids or some layer hybrids that suffer from health problems.

But anyway, mixing breeds requires hatching a lot, for multiple generations. And keeping chickens humanely requires keeping numbers down and far fewer males than females.

On the other hand, there's plenty of nice homes out there for nice birds. We make an effort to re-home most and only axe the ones who aren't desirable enough to draw interest, or with bad temperaments.

And along with a clear vision and plan, responsible breeding requires preparation for defects and injuries / illness. It's the part of chicken keeping we hate but must endure. Not all outcomes will be good. Do you have a plan for termination?
I confess my "method" is to have a family member do it. But then, I've had some traumatic incidents (including surgery as a result of an attempt).
A side affect of my multi-year breeding project is a necessary firming of my heart from it's prior gooey state to something resembling jello. I'll never quite be a sturdy farmer type waving an axe, but I mark the ones who have to be terminated and catch them for my helper. Deal with the body if we aren't processing and so forth.
I don't feel like one could breed chickens for multiple generations without also dealing with the "dead stock" counterpoint of "livestock".

As well, rehoming unsuitable birds is not in any way profitable. They eat more to grow out than you can replace with a rehoming fee, unless they have desirable traits.
Traits like Fibro which can be challenging to breed consistently.

I believe you can do it if you want to. Just sharing some of the hurdles before you start.