Back yard rabbit group anyone?

[herbandteas]

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Those are both spots I go to frequently.

 

[Preservation Acres]

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This is a good plan on paper, BUT
as Chinbunny1 pointed out not all rabbits that are endangered are on that list.
keep in mind when your raising a rare heritage breed you must be vigilant in culling out the undesireables, bad bone density, weak shoulders, wrong color, etc etc, just raisiing them because they are rare and endangered does NOT mean quality nor breed specifications.
read up on the Standards of Perfection as to what these breeds need to look like, what they standards call for, otherwise you are doing more damage than you are perfecting.

As ChinBunny knows full well Standard Chins can be ruined in a matter of one generation, all it takes is one rabbit of the wrong breed to mess up generation after generation of any breed.

If I am correct as to whom Chinbunny is I believe there was an issue a few years back with whites popping up iin her litters?
Generations back some one trying to improve the breed bred in likely a NewZeland rabbit, the white gene will now pop up generation after generation reducing the rabbits to meat quality only.

I breed and raise Silver Fox to the Standards set down by ARBA.
This sunday past I picked up 3 Silver fox that were pointed, meaning someone somewhere along the generations bred in a Califonian. now keep in mind Silver Fox are on the Rare Breeds list.
these 3 rabbits I bought are for meat production only and will never see anything other than the inside of a crock pot or oven.

ANY Rare or Endangered animal is only worth the time, effort, education and quality the breeder puts into them.

In breeding can help and can destroy a herd in a blink, Colony raising of a Rare breed is not generally recomeded. Careful control over breedings on the other hand is.

I dont want to sound mean here but with Rare and Endangered breeds you really have to do homework, talk with breeders who are raising them to Standards.

I would also like to add if possible go to a rabbit show, stand at a judging table for the breed you are interested in raising. So MUCH can be learned from the judges comments on what makes that animal specal, worth rasing, and how to improve on specific traits.

I guess what I am saying is :
If your going to breed a rare animal please breed responsibly.
I know a lot of us that work so hard on keeping to standards get very frustrated when a drop dead beautiful animal produces babys that are not with in breed standards.

I don't think I ever said that I wouldn't be making good breeding choices.

 

[gypsy2621]

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This is a good plan on paper, BUT
as Chinbunny1 pointed out not all rabbits that are endangered are on that list.
keep in mind when your raising a rare heritage breed you must be vigilant in culling out the undesireables, bad bone density, weak shoulders, wrong color, etc etc, just raisiing them because they are rare and endangered does NOT mean quality nor breed specifications.
read up on the Standards of Perfection as to what these breeds need to look like, what they standards call for, otherwise you are doing more damage than you are perfecting.

As ChinBunny knows full well Standard Chins can be ruined in a matter of one generation, all it takes is one rabbit of the wrong breed to mess up generation after generation of any breed.

If I am correct as to whom Chinbunny is I believe there was an issue a few years back with whites popping up iin her litters?
Generations back some one trying to improve the breed bred in likely a NewZeland rabbit, the white gene will now pop up generation after generation reducing the rabbits to meat quality only.

I breed and raise Silver Fox to the Standards set down by ARBA.
This sunday past I picked up 3 Silver fox that were pointed, meaning someone somewhere along the generations bred in a Califonian. now keep in mind Silver Fox are on the Rare Breeds list.
these 3 rabbits I bought are for meat production only and will never see anything other than the inside of a crock pot or oven.

ANY Rare or Endangered animal is only worth the time, effort, education and quality the breeder puts into them.

In breeding can help and can destroy a herd in a blink, Colony raising of a Rare breed is not generally recomeded. Careful control over breedings on the other hand is.

I dont want to sound mean here but with Rare and Endangered breeds you really have to do homework, talk with breeders who are raising them to Standards.

I would also like to add if possible go to a rabbit show, stand at a judging table for the breed you are interested in raising. So MUCH can be learned from the judges comments on what makes that animal specal, worth rasing, and how to improve on specific traits.

I guess what I am saying is :
If your going to breed a rare animal please breed responsibly.
I know a lot of us that work so hard on keeping to standards get very frustrated when a drop dead beautiful animal produces babys that are not with in breed standards.

I don't think I ever said that I wouldn't be making good breeding choices.

Please do not misunderstand my words.
I was simply stating that accidents do happen, in breeding can cause many many problems, and escaped bunny from a different breed, bringing in a different breed to correct a specific fault or issue etc etc.
I meant no offense none should have been taken, it wasnt personal to you or anyone in specific.

I have been working with a Heritage breed for many years now, thre is nothing more frustrating than finding out 2 completely black rabbits produce something white, or as in the case of the 3 pointed Fox I bought californian pointed animals, We have been battling getting rid of Satinized coats for years right along with the New Zeland coat, Now this pops up. Surely anyone can understand the frustration and the need to let new breeders know what can and most times does happen.

and Yes the rabbits came from of 2 very well know and respected breeders.

 

[pickNchicken]

Hey guys count me in on the Rabbit group..

 

[herbandteas]

Ok your counted in!

 

[coffeemama]

Count me in on the rabbit group.

Just wanted to add that if you're doing a colony style breeding program, you are not able to keep very good records of which rabbit is bred to which. When you are breeding to improve a breed, this is not an option-record keeping is vital.

 

[herbandteas]

Good now we just need to get their attention

colony style is good enough for meat I guess but not if your trying to perfect a line of show quality rabbits. Only thing I noticed when we have rabbits set up like that as after a point it gets crowded I started seeing them die off. It was like the moms stopped feeding kits because that was what was dieing. I keep mine in cages on the same level so they can see each other. Then once it stops being so dang wet out I have a pen that I can put them in to exercise in.

 

[mamato3]

how is the byr goup coing along?
I am getting ready to build a barn and have been looking for more nzw rabbits to buy. I found a lady close to me has some bucks for sell she told me there nzw with a bit of lop in them. What does a lop do in there bloodline? i thought lops were small but she is breeding for size as she sell meat rabbits. are there lops that are big i though lops all weighed under 10 pounds. Still learning about rabbits i only know about nzw rabbits and there care

 

[gypsy2621]

French lops 10 to 14 lbs, no weight limit per ARBA
English Lops 10 to no weight limit per ARBA
Mini Lops 4 to 6 lbs
Holland lops 2 to 4 lbs

French lops are large rabbits.
This is my Grand Champion Buck he weighs 13 1/2 lbs:

 

[chinbunny1]

Yep preservation acres, that is me.

i still get those white ones too. But not as much as I used to. Someone bred in a florida white, or a newzealand. I know of someone, who I shall not mention, that crosses them with florida whites, and silver martens. And sells and shows them as standard chins. When they are not a true standard chin.

Cross breeding should only be done if there is no other stock available, and you have no other choice but to do it.

Really watch people that croos breed into the rare breeds. Some do it for improvement. Others to win BOB/ and shows with. Don't buy from someone that does cross breed unless it was done for a good purpose.

There are about 15 rare breeds recognized by arba. I know franco rios had one going that recognized everything but the palomino and harlequin.

We had a recent show do a rare breeds best in group. boy was it fun convincing the members that they shouldn't have just limitted that to rare heritage breeds only.