Backyard Brahmas!!

[cluckcluckluke]

Do you have any Brahmas like these over in the US???

They are Creles.

 

[Katt66]

I think that this is a very good question.  After all, I've been told that there are no "purebreds" in chickens, that all of the chickens breeds come from other breeds, crossings, etc.  What was the first "breed" of chicken?  Who knows, but my point is that we think Brahmas come from a cross between Cochins and Malays.  So, if they pick up too many traits from one or the other, are they still Brahmas or are they back to their roots as either a Cochin or a Malays?  If you breed a Brahma to a Cochin, which one is it, are you able to call it one or the other as you please depending on which breed is the more popular at the moment?  As far as I can tell, there isn't a breed registry like in Thoroughbred or Quarter horses or the AKC that defines the bird as a particular breed regardless of the traits they possess.  It is the traits that they possess that define them as one breed or another.  So, for me personally, the Cochin tail is one trait that if a bird possesses it they are closer to Cochin than Brahma.  If I had to list the differences in the two breeds, I would say the comb, the hocks, the tail, feather softness and the topline are the traits that really stick out to me.  I guess the question becomes how many of those traits are Cochin in your bird and how many are Brahma.  If the answer is that more of these particular traits fall in the Cochin category, then you should probably call your bird a Cochin rather than a Brahma.

Thoughts?

For me, the word Cochin brings to mind piles of fluffy feathers fluff all around and burying the legs all the way to the floor and that glorious cushion tail that you could get lost in. When I think brahma, I think massive...fully feathered all the way around but not quite as lost in its own feathers a a cochin. I know each breed has a distinctive comb. But I've seen Crazy plump fluffy brahmas that is call cochin except for the pea comb. And I've seen tall lanky cochins that I'd call brahma except for the straight comb.

I'm no expert but I guess I'd call them more on overall feathering and body type than comb alone.

Then somebody will throw a Wyandotte in there for the lace pattern and now what do I do? XD

 

[Sjisty]

Of course, that´s the perfect American bird, just a reminder or a note for people who don´t know, it´s quite ok in a lot of countries to have VHs.  All mine have VHs, it´s extremely difficult to find them without here, and they´re great birds.
Looks full of character!  Pretty, too.

He is full of character. He has been a lap chicken all his life. He did his first crow about 3 weeks ago - I was so proud! He follows me everywhere.

 

[LadyBroody]

My Rusty! I call him: "Rusty Rooster". He's growing up so quickly! When I hold him in my hands, he always feels heavier, and I tell him, "you must stop growing Rusty!" Though he does get more beautiful by the day.

I've changed my mind, Rusty darling, you are allowed to grow!!!

 

[bamadude]

this is the offspring of those pictured above

 

[bumpercarr]

What I do when needing to calculate darks is use the "black patterned gold multiple laced partridge/brown" scroll down and switch it from " s+/- gold/wildtype" to " S/- silver" . That would be for the female side.

The male side would be s+/s+, S/S, or the split S/s+ They call "golden".

Thank you, Big Medicine. I just played with that a bit. I was using the "new" chicken calculator and choosing silver ground color, black pattern color and partridge pattern which gives me the black patterned silver partridge/brown. So, I'll change that to gold ground color, black pattern color (edit: and multiple laced) to get the black patterned gold multiple laced partridge/brown. The new calculator doesn't have the s+/- gold/wildtype as a choice, so when I choose the female based on the multiple laced, the default is s+/- gold (same genes just different names I think). I should change that to S+/- Silver. For the male, the default is s+/s+ gold, I should leave that alone I think for a dark and change it to S/s+ for a split? When would the dark male be S/S?

What do you use for gold partridge? I usually use gold ground color, black pattern color and partridge pattern which gives me a black patterned gold partridge/brown. For the blue partridge I just change the pattern color to blue. Do you also use multiple laced for them?

I'm going to play with this today and see which genes are effected by the difference in the two. Sorry that I'm repeating back to you what you said, just trying to make sure I understand.

 

[LadyBroody]

What would a gold partridge x lemon pyle brahma look like? Thinking of adding some lemon pyle to my little flock of four gold partridge hen and rooster.

 

[bumpercarr]

What would a gold partridge x lemon pyle brahma look like? Thinking of adding some lemon pyle to my little flock of four gold partridge hen and rooster.

Big Medicine is by far the best on colors, but I don't think he'll answer you if your refer to a lemon pyle brahma. If you look further back on this thread, you will probably find a better term to use for the color. I think we call them splash over here in the US.

 

[LadyBroody]

Big Medicine is by far the best on colors, but I don't think he'll answer you if your refer to a lemon pyle brahma. If you look further back on this thread, you will probably find a better term to use for the color. I think we call them splash over here in the US.

So it's lemon splash??

 

[bumpercarr]

So it's lemon splash??

You're probably talking about splash patterned gold partridge. This crossing should result in blue partridge offspring. But Big Medicine is the champ when it comes to colors, so I'll let him confirm or deny my answer here.