Banning linebreeding in Oregon??? H$U$!!!

[Chickerdoodle13]

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Actually, outcrossing is very much a reason for issues in a breeding program. When you bring in unrelated animals, you introduce different genes or alleles that were not present in the line before the crossing. Line breeding can prevent the introduction of unwanted genes, as well as maintain those that are desired.

 

[patandchickens]

Redyre Rotties, would it be possible for you to go back and edit the title of this thread to make it clear it is NOT a current bill? People are not going to read every post adn will miss that IMPORTANT fact...

Thanks for considering this,

Pat

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

When it comes to farm animals, the general rule is to replace the male every season with one of a different gene pool. The choice of the new male is the most important choice of the year. Why, genetics.

When humans choose there own mate they try to find the best one that is not related.

I see people outcrossing every type of livestock you can think of with great results. Sure bad outcrossings can happen but most of the time its because the bad genes were in the new line an it only costs you one breeding season.

Dont think I have ever met a cow, sheep or goat farmer that thought inbreeding was the way to go. I have also never met a parent that thought there kids should marry back in to the family to keep from introducing bad genes in to there family line.

Its only when people start trying to get a special look. The look they think will win the next show. Then they start seeing inbreeding to set a type as a tool they can use. Sure it can work but that does not make it the right way to do it. There are better ways, they just cost more an take more effort on the part of the breeder.

Good outcrossings can take most of a year to research an plan an can take a chunk out of the bottom line. Far beyond what most breeders are willing to put in to there breeding program.

 

[chinbunny]

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That may work for some animals, but not all. Not like rabbits or dogs, where you have to linebreed otherwise you take a very high risk of losing good genetics, and really messing up the breeding line. I used to live on a farm. The only thing we didn't linebreed was the hogs and cattle. Everything got line bred. mostly it was the poultry and rabbits.

Edit; actually come to think of it my dad and a friend of his always passed around two boar pigs all the time. And the guilts that were kept back got bred back to both of them.

 

[chinbunny]

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Actually, outcrossing is very much a reason for issues in a breeding program. When you bring in unrelated animals, you introduce different genes or alleles that were not present in the line before the crossing. Line breeding can prevent the introduction of unwanted genes, as well as maintain those that are desired.

this. And if a problem arises you can always breed it out.

 

[abluechipstock]

read claudia orlandi's book "the abc's of dog breeding", inbreeding doesn't cause genetic defects, it just brings them to the surface, that's why breeding should be left to people who know what they are doing, it's the darn commercial breeders that have caused all these problems

 

[EweSheep]

Chickerdoodle, I had to laugh at your comment about people all decendents from Adam and Eve.

Remember it happened again with Moses and his wife and his children.......all the other children and adults died in the flood.

And like some of us here in the US, alot of our ancestors were descendents of the Pilgrims arriving from England and it was not unusual to find them marrying cousins or second cousins. heck I even find one about 10 generations back, first cousins marrying. Weird isn't it?

Not only the puppy mill breeders are responsible for the most of the mess, but also ignorant breeders that have blinders on, not paying any attention to the puppy's owners that there were something wrong with the puppy and the breeders did nothing to remedy the problem...so the problem still exists. It would not be surprising if those breeders sell their so called culled puppies to puppy mill breeders. Bingo, there is the problem!

I did watch that Crufts show......it was sickening to see a GSD whose hind legs were so awful or long haired dogs that had leg problems because it was hidden all that hair........those judges have to be ashamed of themselves by selecting very inferior dogs. One lady was actively into Brits Spaniels and she blew the whistle on certain breeders and I love the interviewer grilled one champion dog owner that she HAD known that the dog had the disease but went ahead and bred the dog. MONEY MONEY MONEY!

As for the Collies, my parents raise, breed and show them for at least ten to fifteen years until they got out of them due to politics. Eye problems are still there but you do not find them as much as you used to. U of I have records of ALL collies or all dogs with eye problems and being certified as well. If the breeder ignore U of I's strict eye policy, the breeders will be shut down by the state of Illinois and they can not breed any dogs until they comply with the U of I's strict laws. Even vets have the obligation to report to U of I if they do find blind puppies (not old dogs) in their offices. If I remember right, they also do the hip dyplasia for GSD and Newfoundlands that I know of.

I do not think the government needs to step in how we breed our animals but they need to step in those money making pet business and enforce strict laws on them so everyone can benefit of owning a happy and healthy pet.

 

[chinbunny]

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Most breeders are good people, and not responsible for this problem. Sorry to say this but irresponsible pet owners, the few bad breeders, and a lot of the rescues and shelters are. You got to remember that we are all animal mills to those people(ar activists, and bad rescuers, which there are many of). Those are the same people that want stupid laws like that. you don't know how many times I have been called a bunny mill for breeding in show rabbits because some Idiot in rescue didn't like the idea of them being bred, nor kept in cages and hutches in a barn. Their insane ideas are always cut down to a couple of breeding animals, keep everything inside the house, and pay a lot of money to spay and neuter everything else. And of course you are even more evil if you eat your culls. Some rescues are a pet business too that are only in it to shut down breeders and make money off their animals. Have heard of too many good animal breeders that have had that happen to them. I have also seen some rescue workers encourage good pet owners to dump their pets because are deemed unworthy of owning animal over the internet.