Bantam RIR Hen x Golden Sebright Roo Appearance?

[Chris09]

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Not relay, they would be Columbian much like the Light Brahma.
The R.I. Red is a Modified Red Columbian if you will or it could also be called a Black Tailed Red depending on how you look at it.
Note that they are not fully Columbian marked in that the males are absent of the Black Hackles and Females only have ticking in the hackles.

I have did a cross with a R.I. Red rooster over a Gold Laced Wyandotte and next to all lacing in the tail and in the wing were eliminated and in turn were mostly black much like the R.I. Red.
Also the lacing with in the body plumage was incomplete and not fully laced.

Now some of the hatchery R.I. Reds have "odd" genes that shouldn't be there do to hatcheries crossing the R.I. Red with the Leghorns to add to there egg production.

When speaking about the Large Fowl Rhode Island Red as a Breed is very well documented in its breeding and history.
Now when speaking about the Bantam Red there are some line e+/E^Wh based and not eWh/eWh.

Chris

 

[nicalandia]

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do you mean Buff columbian brahma? and I said buff to make a color comparison(shades of Pheomelanin)


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Well that's because eWh is dominant to eb and Wheaten is the worst E allele to get lacing on it.....

hey but F1 are not his goals... if he wants Red Laced Sebright he should just do a back cross to sebright and then mate the offspring together to segregate Mahogany..

 

[Chris09]

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do you mean Buff columbian brahma? and I said buff to make a color comparison(shades of Pheomelanin)


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Well that's because eWh is dominant to eb and Wheaten is the worst E allele to get lacing on it.....

hey but F1 are not his goals... if he wants Red Laced Sebright he should just do a back cross to sebright and then mate the offspring together to segregate Mahogany..

do you mean Buff columbian brahma? and I said buff to make a color comparison(shades of Pheomelanin

No, Columbian like the Light Brahma. There is nothing really in the background of the breed to make Buff if you "take out" the Mahogany gene, you would need the Mahogany gene in the breed to make the Buff color.
The R.I. Red owes it "Columbian" pattern do to the Light Brahma and is prone to stray White Feathering do to there genetic make up and is the main reason why the Standard notes White feathers as a DQ.

Chris​

 

[CluckyJay]

Thanks guys.

I'll play around with them just to see how it works out. The RIR hen is supposed to be a SQ hen. They are all from McMurray though.

As babies.

 

[nicalandia]

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Light Brahma are just Columbian on a Silver eb background


Buf Brahma are Just Columbian on a Gold eb background, No Mahogany


Show Quality RIR are Columbian on a Gold eWh background with Mahogany and undocumented pheomelanin enhancer genes.


Why dont they look Columbian? well its the same reason Lacing dont work properly on them also... because they are eWh(wheaten) this is the most black restricted allel

 

[CluckyJay]

The chicks will come out lime green, that'll show ya'll!

 

[Chris09]

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Light Brahma are just Columbian on a Silver eb background
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Buf Brahma are Just Columbian on a Gold eb background, No Mahogany
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Show Quality RIR are Columbian on a Gold eWh background with Mahogany and undocumented pheomelanin enhancer genes.

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Why dont they look Columbian? well its the same reason Lacing dont work properly on them also... because they are eWh(wheaten) this is the most black restricted allel

I know the Columbian patterns and what they look like.
That R.I. Red that you posted is far from being SQ.

Why dont they look Columbian?

Note that they are not fully Columbian marked in that the males are absent of the Black Hackles and Females only have ticking in the hackles.
If they were a full Red Columbian they would look like this. (note the amount of Black in the hackles)
not my bird

Show Quality RIR are Columbian on a Gold eWh background with Mahogany and undocumented pheomelanin enhancer genes.

I believe that they are Mahogany, Columbian, Black Breasted Red, Gold and some enhancer genes.

Chris​

 

[nicalandia]

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I believe that they are Mahogany, Columbian, Black Breasted Red, Gold and some enhancer genes.

Chris

why did you highlighted black breasted red?

 

[Chris09]

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I believe that they are Mahogany, Columbian, Black Breasted Red, Gold and some enhancer genes.

Chris

why did you highlighted black breasted red?

Because you said the R.I. Reds were eWh background and that may be true with hatchery R.I. Reds but in the true R.I. Red it is e+ (black Breasted Red) and not eWh.

Chris

 

[nicalandia]

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why did you highlighted black breasted red?

Because you said the R.I. Reds were eWh background and that may be true with hatchery R.I. Reds but in the true R.I. Red it is e+ (black Breasted Red) and not eWh.

Chris

Oh.. I see.. but the correct name would be for e+ is Wild Type(as found on Red Jungle Fowl)...Black Breasted Red is a phenotype other allels can mimic(black breast with red hackles and sadles and colored wing triangle for roosters ofcourse as Hens look way different) for example its almost imposible to distiguish a black breasted red rooster based on eWheaten from one based on e+ Wild Type

I'll post some pics soon...

here a breeding pen of Wheaten based(eWh) Old English Game, while the females look wheaten the Males are what you call Black Breasted Red...