Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

[Piet]

The poultry geneticist Arend Lourens Hagedoorn has create them in the 1930's. Animal breeding, 1939

There is also a picture of a tollbunt Barnevelder hen published in "The Barnevelder, Powell-Owen, 1932.

The "Barnevelder" around that time really came in all imaginable colors, but the double laced black, white and black were the only ones that were being standardized at that time. It would not be very hard to make a speckled Barnevelder, but is it really needed as we have other much more interesting colors to play with that really belong to the Barnevelder?
Piet

 

[DiamondDust]

I suppose that anyone could play around with creating any color of "Barnevelder" that they wanted to if it strikes their fancy and makes them happy. If they stick with it and manage to get it into the standards then it won't have hurt anything. Some people that keep chickens love having just a barnyard mixed flock or one of each of several kinds, none of that is wrong either. I can understand how you feel Piet, because I love the standard double laced Barnevelder and would hate to see the original lose people who work hard to preserve and improve it just so they can work on new colors...yet what's the harm if someone wants to? I know of nobody in North America working on creating that color variety but it doesn't mean someone is not...just means I haven't heard about it. I do know that some have been working on a "Rose Comb" variety and the other colors already mentioned...to each his own. I'll stick with my standards and maybe dabble with blue if I can get the lacing to clean up.


Just my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less.


DD

 

[Avlana]

The barnevelders need work yet and are not that common. There's so many other birds out there that come in jubilee. I for one would not be interested in purchasing any jubilee barnevelders. I prefer the uniqueness of the double lace. But if that's something you want to do, by all means go ahead. I can only speak for myself and that I'm only interested in double laced barnevelders and that's all I'd breed and purchase. They're gorgeous enough.

 

[Redcap]

Well, they have existed ... and they would look nice.
It's funny that it is accepted that Wyandottes and Orpingtons can be made in every imaginable color.
But in other Breeds there is every time horror.
The same with the lavender hype ....
You can't freeze the time ... world will change, and every popular colour will stay, or not.

 

[Avlana]

Well, they have existed ... and they would look nice.
It's funny that it is accepted that Wyandottes and Orpingtons can be made in every imaginable color.
But in other Breeds there is every time horror.
The same with the lavender hype ....
You can't freeze the time ... world will change, and every popular colour will stay, or not.

I'd recommend you to look into some jubilee orpington or wyandottes then.

 

[poultch]

This was the first year I didn't see any 'red patches' bleeding though. Some of the roos still had a straw coloration on the hackles, but several keepers were snowy white.

Many thanks Al,
I understand the tenacity of the red/gold/straw colouration, this is why I commended you. However, what intrigued me was those males with a very clean silver, and a reduced amount of black in the hackle and saddle (regardless of straw/red bleeding through) - as apposed to modern standard males' amount of black.
They somewhat reminded me of silver versions (in colour) of the Van Gink Protrait, resp. the amount of black he depicted back then

http://www.nederlandsehoenderclub.eu/index.php?id=39

 

[BantamCastle]

Many thanks Al,
I understand the tenacity of the red/gold/straw colouration, this is why I commended you. However, what intrigued me was those males with a very clean silver, and a reduced amount of black in the hackle and saddle (regardless of straw/red bleeding through) - as apposed to modern standard males' amount of black.
They somewhat reminded me of silver versions (in colour) of the Van Gink Protrait, resp. the amount of black he depicted back then

http://www.nederlandsehoenderclub.eu/index.php?id=39A

poulch,

This is a very interesting observation that I hadn't given much thought to. A few years back many of the hens came out overly black leaving only a small crescent of white showing. For those hens I selected a rooster that had the most visible white areas in an effort to combat the dark hens. This worked very well as it produced some of the best laced hens I have. I did not give the roosters any more thought after that. Here is a photo of the grand-sir of the the project for reference. - Al

 

[poultch]

Is anyone working on Jubilee Barnevelder?

Nice to see you here Redcap!
I am, 6 generations in, and starting to get some consistency. but they are not jubilee (as in Orpingtons) rather the same patternation as the Jubilee Indian Game, or the non standard (in Holland) colour '~~Geelwitdubbelgezoomd' http://www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/php/index.php?title=Geelwitdubbelgezoomd
is what I suspect you meant especially after reading your link below:

The poultry geneticist Arend Lourens Hagedoorn has create them in the 1930's. Animal breeding, 1939

...

I agree with the confusion that happens when naming is not consistent, (earlier posts give evidence to this) this is why the New Zealand Standards committee agreed to refer to this pattern as 'Chamois' - the pattern in other breeds caused by the effect of dominant white when on a gold base of those breeds ground pattern - transverse pencilled as in Campines, single laced as in Polish and double laced as in Barnevelder

 

[Redcap]

They look nice, but I would like them darker - in double white laced (mahogany) red as seen in some Cornish strains


rather like this splash laced red Wyandotte

Whiley as a pullet, one of our very light blue hens, and Wyatt and Willow's daughter. She's the other mommy to the chicks above.

 

[poultch]

poulch,

This is a very interesting observation that I hadn't given much thought to. A few years back many of the hens came out overly black leaving only a small crescent of white showing. For those hens I selected a rooster that had the most visible white areas in an effort to combat the dark hens. This worked very well as it produced some of the best laced hens I have. I did not give the roosters any more thought after that. Here is a photo of the grand-sir of the the project for reference. - Al

thanks Al, that's really interesting, and have had some results myself that mirrored what you have described - I got a couple years back some over black females, but I did not breed from them
wont bore you details of why I find that interesting, and although there seems to be 2 different topics of conversations running here currently, ironically it (reason why I find it interesting) that it speaks to the topic that Redcap raised in his link of ~~The poultry geneticist Arend Lourens Hagedoorn has create them in the 1930's. Animal breeding, 1939
'changing one gene' may work if it is all on the kept on the gold base, but if its flipped onto silver, it flips the apple cart to a larger degree

thanks again for sharing your info