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[Double Laced]

That's very interesting. Those percentages were what I've read in every article or book on creating and maintaining blue birds of any species. And they all state that you can't get blue to breed blue consistently. Obviously you've figured out something genetically different for your birds, so congratulations.

As to the rooster's chest, I know BLR Wyandotte males have lacing on the chest. However, is this acceptable in the Barnevelder, or is the solid blue chest preferred?

I have read all the same books. the problem with authors is most of the tend to quote the accepted norms. Do you breed blue birds at all?

Sorry I known practically nothing about wyandottes except i bred my silver laced barnevelders from silver laced wyandottes, both bantam and large fowl.

Interestingly i have bred Andalusians for several years and have never had a splash, only blue and black from a pair and a trio of blue's. the problem with gene's is they do not always express themselves completely. the "blue " gene is a mutation of the black but it is hugely more complicated because there are many more genes involved. .

 

[tls_ranch]

 
That's very interesting. Those percentages were what I've read in every article or book on creating and maintaining blue birds of any species. And they all state that you can't get blue to breed blue consistently. Obviously you've figured out something genetically different for your birds, so congratulations.

As to the rooster's chest, I know BLR Wyandotte males have lacing on the chest. However, is this acceptable in the Barnevelder, or is the solid blue chest preferred?

I have read all the same books. the problem with authors is most of the tend to quote the accepted norms. Do you breed blue birds at all?

Sorry I known practically nothing about wyandottes except i bred my silver laced barnevelders from silver laced wyandottes, both bantam and large fowl.

Interestingly i have bred Andalusians for several years and have never had a splash, only blue and black from a pair and a trio of blue's. the problem with gene's is they do not always express themselves completely. the "blue " gene is a mutation of the black but it is hugely more complicated because there are many more genes involved. .

The genetics research about the inheritance of the blue gene is widely accepted. But, one needs to hatch large samples to see the actual % of blue, black or splash offspring . Like in the several 100's to 1000's in each sample.

What is more variable is how melanizers and other modifiers influence the expression of the blue gene. From nearly black to very light blue in birds with one copy of the gene.

Trisha

 

[Eissens]

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[gruffy]

Hello all. Thought Id ask what would happen if I bred my black barnevelder to a blue barnevelder? Would they all be mixed colors or straight black?

 

[Eissens]

50% of the progeny will be blue and 50% will be black (male/female doesn't matter)

 

[gruffy]

Ah that sounds so cool thank you! XD I was also wondering if the lacing would be good from the father's side? He has a solid black chest with prominent red hackles. I have found some random double laced feathers but they are rare. Are the standards the same for the black barnevelders with the solid chest being good?

 

[trailrider330]

I first learned about this breed a couple months ago and have been busy doing my research on them in hopes of getting some of my own. I actually live in Holland, Michigan and have 97% Dutch ancestry (I would have to double check my ancestry.com profile, but I believe I actually had relatives who came from the town of Barneveld - How cool is that?!?!), so the thought of raising a breed that originated in the Netherlands, has beautiful plumage, is cold-hearty, are good winter layers, have good dispositions, and (are supposed to) lay darker eggs is very appealing to me.

I do, however, have a couple questions that I am hoping some of you can answer:

1. If one is trying to raise Blue Double Laced Barnevelders, what are the traits to look for in your breeding stock to get the best chance at having a good double lacing pattern? Aside from starting with the best Blue Double Laced breeding stock your money can buy, knowing how the B/B/S gene plays out, and looking for roos with solid chest feathers, what else should one be looking for in their roos and hens to get the best double lacing in a blue? How can one adjust their breeding plan to get the best double lacing in a blue? Or, is most of it just "luck of the draw"?

2. If blues can come in a variety of shades, how does one distinguishable between a very dark blue and a black, or a very light blue and a splash? Is it fairly obvious?

Thanks, in advance, for your assistance!

 

[farmerturner]

Agreed. I know nothing about the APA standards but this bird will likely give better offspring. I would also wait until after their final moult before making your choice. this is one of mine from last year. .

Very pretty!!! Thanks

 

[farmerturner]

Question for you all. My 5 year old daughter wants to show her Barnevelder pullet and cockeral in the fair this year. Should we go with the blue laced or the standard color? Thanks

 

[tls_ranch]

If the fair follows ( judges by) the APA standard/ rules, then I'd recomend that you enter the standard birds. Blues are not accepted in the SOP and in an APA show they can only place against their own color variety. Standards would at least have a chance to go on to win above other breeds.

Trisha