barred easter egger?

[jerryse]

Well they are dark that is for sure! Can't tell anything yet. Very surprised at how black they look. Kind of didn't expect the BR to be so dominant. Thought it might take several generations. I realize it will take time for the barring to show up but to have the black so dominant over buff hens is amazing!

Silver and gold and barring are sex-linked.Your pullets will not inherit buff since you used a BR rooster.They will inherit barring,1 copy is all they can inherit.The males will inherit buff 1 copy and barring 1 copy.You can sex by the size of the white headspot.Males have larger headspots.There is a dosage effect with barring and males with one copy are less reliable when sexing at hatch.I would say the middle one is male and possibly the left one.

 

[CackleJoy]

Wow I was so excited to see the sex-link. I didn't know about that at all. Thank you so much for the information! Questions:
1 - the really yellow belly and bottom - does that mean the barring will or won't show up?
2 - the yellow legs. If I breed the females back to an Ameraucana (Blue or Lav) will I lose the barring? Will I gain the odd colored feet back? Some of their legs/feet have weird grey stripes.
3 - To keep the barring. If I have one that barrs nicely, how do I breed her to keep the puffy cheeks and fun parts of an EE?

Now that they've fluffed up, I have some pictures. Hoping for more verification. I want to tag the legs of those I think are cockerels and see if the sex-link is accurate. Awesome! Think this is a boy.

Is the one below a girl?

Think the one in the middle here is a girl. Her wingtips are really white. The odd thing is a piece of bedding stuck to her.

This one is just because I love this next chick. A few of ours were sired by Dark Brahma's. They have fuzzy legs, shoulder pads and the EE look! I know it's off subject but I can't wait to see how these develop.

Thanks so much for your input. I admit to being super green. Didn't even know that there was such a thing as a BRCauna project until after they were in the incubator.
Blessings!

 

[tadkerson]

Silver and gold and barring are sex-linked.Your pullets will not inherit buff since you used a BR rooster.They will inherit barring,1 copy is all they can inherit.The males will inherit buff 1 copy and barring 1 copy.You can sex by the size of the white headspot.Males have larger headspots.There is a dosage effect with barring and males with one copy are less reliable when sexing at hatch.I would say the middle one is male and possibly the left one.

Buff is an autosomal polygenic trait. There should be no difference in a male's and a females head spot if both carry one barring gene.

 

[tadkerson]

Wow I was so excited to see the sex-link. I didn't know about that at all. Thank you so much for the information! Questions:
1 - the really yellow belly and bottom - does that mean the barring will or won't show up?
2 - the yellow legs. If I breed the females back to an Ameraucana (Blue or Lav) will I lose the barring? Will I gain the odd colored feet back? Some of their legs/feet have weird grey stripes.
3 - To keep the barring. If I have one that barrs nicely, how do I breed her to keep the puffy cheeks and fun parts of an EE?

Now that they've fluffed up, I have some pictures. Hoping for more verification. I want to tag the legs of those I think are cockerels and see if the sex-link is accurate. Awesome! Think this is a boy.

Is the one below a girl?

Think the one in the middle here is a girl. Her wingtips are really white. The odd thing is a piece of bedding stuck to her.

This one is just because I love this next chick. A few of ours were sired by Dark Brahma's. They have fuzzy legs, shoulder pads and the EE look! I know it's off subject but I can't wait to see how these develop.

Thanks so much for your input. I admit to being super green. Didn't even know that there was such a thing as a BRCauna project until after they were in the incubator.
Blessings!

1. If you crossed a barred female with a buff male, then the female chicks do not have a head spot and the males do have a head spot.
2 if you breed a barred female to a non barred male -only the male chicks will be barred and the females will not be barred. yellow legs female x male slate legs = all chicks will have slate or blue legs
muffs and beard is an incompletely dominant trait- your female with muffs and beard x no muffs and beard = some muffs and beard chicks and some no muffs and beard

Tim

 

[jerryse]

Buff is an autosomal polygenic trait. There should be no difference in a male's and a females head spot if both carry one barring gene.

I find differences in the size of head spots in single barred but like I said not very reliable with 1 copy.As for autosomal polygenic I am uninformed on that.I do know gold is involved and it is sex linked.In my experience buff works as a sex link.I was at John Blehm's place last weekend and he had some that were from a silver male x buff hens.The pullets were white with black tails and a little black in the neck.The cockerel was the same with a golden tint.Split for silver and gold.

 

[jerryse]

Wow I was so excited to see the sex-link. I didn't know about that at all. Thank you so much for the information! Questions:
1 - the really yellow belly and bottom - does that mean the barring will or won't show up?
2 - the yellow legs. If I breed the females back to an Ameraucana (Blue or Lav) will I lose the barring? Will I gain the odd colored feet back? Some of their legs/feet have weird grey stripes.
3 - To keep the barring. If I have one that barrs nicely, how do I breed her to keep the puffy cheeks and fun parts of an EE?

Now that they've fluffed up, I have some pictures. Hoping for more verification. I want to tag the legs of those I think are cockerels and see if the sex-link is accurate. Awesome! Think this is a boy.

Is the one below a girl?

Think the one in the middle here is a girl. Her wingtips are really white. The odd thing is a piece of bedding stuck to her.

This one is just because I love this next chick. A few of ours were sired by Dark Brahma's. They have fuzzy legs, shoulder pads and the EE look! I know it's off subject but I can't wait to see how these develop.

Thanks so much for your input. I admit to being super green. Didn't even know that there was such a thing as a BRCauna project until after they were in the incubator.
Blessings!

The yellow areas are from extended black.Black will extend and color these areas as they grow.It has no effect on barring.The difference between barring and cuckoo is in how fast the feathers grow.Barred rocks have the slow growing feather trait wich makes a well defined bar.Just select the best barred birds.The first generation will all be barred but perhaps not as well defined.Barred hens back to black blue or lav will give solid colored pullets and single barred cockerels.Solid colored hens x single barred male will give barring in 50% of both sexes.Barring inhibits black pigment in the legs as well as the feathers.Breeding back to ameraucana will yield 50% with 2 genes for the traits you want.Not all int the same bird.Just select the best combs and muffs and best egg color.

 

[tadkerson]

The gold is the sex linked part of the buff color ( as in buff orpington). Buff is polygenic and is due to the expression of the columbian, dark brown, gold and wheaten genes. The only sex linked part of buff is the gold and silver alleles. The rest of the genes are inherited as autosomal genes. A bird that is silver with the rest of the genes that express buff will be almost completely white.

Tim

 

[jerryse]

Here is a double barred project cockerel.Legs are dusky white due to 2 barring genes.Single barred cockerels will have some solid colored feathers.I may use him over some cull barred pullets for barred EE.Reliable sexing by head spots from double barring genes.My ameraucana barred/cuckoo project has not produced a suitable double barred male yet.Mostly produced single barred trying to improve ameraucana traits.Cull pullets have faults like leg color no beard ect.

 

[jerryse]

Here are some single barred project cockerels.You can see the solid colored feathers on the first 2.The 3rd one has them on his other side.He would not turn that side toward me.The 3rd one and the one in the post above I believe are blue barred.They are lighter in color.

 

[CackleJoy]

Thank you all for the comments and the pictures too! So helpful! I think the bearded barring combo is so fun =) Have a little love affair going on with all these EE crosses. WAY too interesting!
Trying to take absorb information as I go. Had a Dark Brahma get my girls too. The chicks off him have feathered feet. They'll probably be slow developing and for that reason won't be a breeding project. I did think it was interesting they kept the trademark chipmunk look whereas the BR x's didn't.
This is a wonderful forum. You all are so knowledgeable about the genetics.
Thank you!