Baytril dose?

[casportpony]

LadyEarth,

OMG NO!!! YOU GIVE 1/2ML OF SAFEGUARD TO A NORMAL SIZED CHICKEN. IF OVER 6 TO 7 POUNDS THEN IML. YOU GIVE X3 DAYS THEN STOP FOR 10, THEN GIVE AGAIN FOR ANOTHER 3 DAYS.
1/2ml is the NORMAL DOSE for Safeguard. You can look it up on The Chicken Chick website which you can just google. I personally don't care for much of what she says as I really don't agree and have never had any luck following her advice. However she has a great article written by a Poultry vet that explains all about worming chickens.
Best of luck!!!

What you saw was probably .50ml btw lol. I can see where the error in dosage could easily happen there.

Safeguard dose is 0.23 ml per pound for five consecutive days. Not sure where the chicken chick got her info from, but I seriously doubt it was from a vet. The picture below is from a vet, and several other people have been advised to give this amount. The 1/2 cc for a standard chicken *might* treat large roundworms, but it's unlikely to treat anything else.


-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Baytril I read should be given NOT on an empty stomach . IS that true?
also average time 5 days correct? what if BG still has diaherre? I dont think she eating a lot either.still some undigested stuff in her poo. so afar she been getting twice a day since tge 18th of this month of October. so tonight was the fourth nite dosage.
I will have to think of a way to give them some "food" before tomorrow morning dosaage.
been getting up early with Hubby and give Baby Girl and Sis a dose before let them out of their coop. so they havent eaten yet...
I also read on this forum Safegurd can be given also? I dont know how we are going to give so much of it. Bought the Paste this time.
Cause you told me >....50 cc wasnt enough dosage for an average hen like 5 pound hen.
I dont see them swallowing that much "paste" I have only used the white Sareguard for Goats and Valzben. and was told to alternate wormers...
Also a THIRD hen is having loose poo TOO for lat few days... It is SO MUCH to handle...
Please explain

If she is not better after 4 days of Baytril it's probably not helping. BG is the one that's been sick for over a year, yes? Baytril can be given on an empty crop, and it can be given with Safeguard or Valbazen.

Several of us told you that 0.05 cc (1/20 cc) Safeguard was not enough, nor is 0.5 cc (1/2 cc). Dose for a five pound hen is 1.14 ml for five days, but okay to give 1.25 cc (1 & 1/4 cc).

What else needs explaining?

-Kathy

 

[DarleneE]

http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2015/11/control-treatment-of-worms-in-chickens.html?m=1

Kathy,

Here is the link that the "Chicken Chick" has posted on her website. It IS in fact written by a vet, and you can see this if you scroll to the very bottom.

I really didn't want to go here, as I think we all agree to disagree that vets often have differing opinions on how they treat. This does not make one right and the other wrong. We simply go with the one we trust the most. At least in my case, it's what I do.

I was just simply trying to help this poor, nice lady when I happened to see she was about to give 50cc to her hen of Safeguard ...NOT to get into a big discussion. You're very knowledgeable about chickens ...we all know this and we respect your opinion, however that does not mean that ONLY the vet you use knows what he's doing or only the article you have is the one that's right and that anything written by anyone else is incorrect??? OR even WORSE, that it wasn't even written by a vet as you suggested ..after I'd just written that it was? Really...??? What was that all about??? This is what it states on her page by her vet?? So I honestly don't know what that was all about??? But if it seemed I was trying to step on your toes somehow.. believe me that I'd NEVER even TRY as I couldn't hold a candle to the experience you have with chickens and we both know that. I would never even TRY to challenge you??? It wasn't anything like that and it's beyond me that you seem to be so angry or bothered by just this??? I simply reached out to try to help a lady that I was afraid may give a massive dose of Safeguard and kill her chicken with her best of intentions. That was all???

Apparently, not agreeing with you upsets you and I can't help that. 1/2ml is the dose everyone here has always instructed me to give my hen and hey... It worked BEAUTIFULLY!!! She's eating like a pig again, gaining all her weight almost all back again, she's laying again and she's looking great again thank God!!! So I respect your dose without a single problem. None. However I will choose to give the lower dose that's been recommended to me...because if I can do it with a lower dose, WHY would I want to put so much medicine in her system??? It's that simple. You give yours whatever dose you're good with and everyone else will just have to decide what's best for their chickens just as we both have. I guess it's just the way it is. You'll find different doses in different articles just like anything else.... I actually even regret just trying to help this lady now though??? And the thing is ...that I SHOULDN'T!!!

Ladyearth, please accept my apology if the dosage I gave you was incorrect. I simply told you what my source told to me as well as what also worked for me.
I sincerely wish you the very best of luck with your flock!!!

Wishing all the best to all my chicken loving friends!!!

 

[DarleneE]

Dr. Michael Darre, MS, PhD, Poultry Professor, University of Connecticut

Then there is a Dr. Petrick who is the vet for the Chicken Chick and her site it seems. So this was where I got the info from besides the other individual.

 

[ladyearth]

I just forgot to put the decimal point in front of the 50.... Wow that would be an awful amt of anything 50cc
wow what a giant syringe. wouldnt that be turkey baster sized ? LOL...
Darlene I apprciate your advice.and anyone elses...
I just know its hard enought to give >.50 ml of liquid goat Safeguard. but I thought I would try the paste this time.
even Wal. sells it in the pet section here.
Is that Panacur a diff wormer? one to alternate with Valzaben?
But the other hen" Older Sis" seems to be no more runny poo... one of her coop mates
Yeah BG has NOT been "well" since she was about 6 months old and laying practice eggs. Poor thing never laid a real egg. But occ she "nests" but no eggs.....She doesnt move as fast. Prob too much calcium in the feed, layer feed for her. I tried the Starter feed again, a crumble form ,only the NBest brand had.... Because of her and Rooo ROO..
but they dont eat it... just play with it. They seem to prefer the small pellets...
Maybe she keeps drinking old puddles or too many worms or whatever.they are finding
For a while her poo wasnt too bad. Then it starts up again. Heck one of the newer girls<" SILVER" had poo so bad it was on the floor for the last few days..plus runny all over the big poo tray....
or maybe they are sneaking too many cherry tomatoes... But I doubt. Because Silver isnt as wild as she was, a bit more quiet...and I see undigested stuff in a few of their some of their poo.. The other girls eat some cherry tomatoes and green beans and not runny poo from them...
I know they are molting. But I am sure molting doesnt cause explosive poo, right?
Wish I could think of something to put the Safeguard paste in so they would "eat it instead of syringing it...Hubby is so tired of being Chicken Doctor...
He is also treating "Goldie" for Bumblefoot on both feet.
cleaning her feet every other nite and changing her bandages and vet wappings...
I need to try Oregano oil and see if that help in their water.
tried the colliod silver, Durvet, Acv etc different times...now back to rain water that boiled before giving them....
course they prefer fresh rainwtr. off top of a drywall bucket lid. I let them for that day then empty it
I just dont understand why Nature makes chickens life so hard.....
thanks all

 

[casportpony]

I just forgot to put the decimal point in front of the 50.... Wow that would be an awful amt of anything 50cc
wow what a giant syringe. wouldnt that be turkey baster sized ? LOL...
Darlene I apprciate your advice.and anyone elses...
I just know its hard enought to give >.50 ml of liquid goat Safeguard. but I thought I would try the paste this time.
even Wal. sells it in the pet section here.
Is that Panacur a diff wormer? one to alternate with Valzaben?
But the other hen" Older Sis" seems to be no more runny poo... one of her coop mates
Yeah BG has NOT been "well" since she was about 6 months old and laying practice eggs. Poor thing never laid a real egg. But occ she "nests" but no eggs.....She doesnt move as fast. Prob too much calcium in the feed, layer feed for her. I tried the Starter feed again, a crumble form ,only the NBest brand had.... Because of her and Rooo ROO..
but they dont eat it... just play with it. They seem to prefer the small pellets...
Maybe she keeps drinking old puddles or too many worms or whatever.they are finding
For a while her poo wasnt too bad. Then it starts up again. Heck one of the newer girls<" SILVER" had poo so bad it was on the floor for the last few days..plus runny all over the big poo tray....
or maybe they are sneaking too many cherry tomatoes... But I doubt. Because Silver isnt as wild as she was, a bit more quiet...and I see undigested stuff in a few of their some of their poo.. The other girls eat some cherry tomatoes and green beans and not runny poo from them...
I know they are molting. But I am sure molting doesnt cause explosive poo, right?
Wish I could think of something to put the Safeguard paste in so they would "eat it instead of syringing it...Hubby is so tired of being Chicken Doctor...
He is also treating "Goldie" for Bumblefoot on both feet.
cleaning her feet every other nite and changing her bandages and vet wappings...
I need to try Oregano oil and see if that help in their water.
tried the colliod silver, Durvet, Acv etc different times...now back to rain water that boiled before giving them....
course they prefer fresh rainwtr. off top of a drywall bucket lid. I let them for that day then empty it
I just dont understand why Nature makes chickens life so hard.....
thanks all

Safeguard *or* Panacur, paste *or* liquid, both are 10% fenbendazole, and the dose for a five pound chicken is *1.14 ml for 5 consecutive days* if you want to treat all worms. The 0.5 ml (1/2 ml) dose you have have used in the past will not treat capillary worms.

In case you didn't see this picture in the other thread, here it is again:


-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2015/11/control-treatment-of-worms-in-chickens.html?m=1

Kathy,

Here is the link that the "Chicken Chick" has posted on her website. It IS in fact written by a vet, and you can see this if you scroll to the very bottom.

I really didn't want to go here, as I think we all agree to disagree that vets often have differing opinions on how they treat. This does not make one right and the other wrong. We simply go with the one we trust the most. At least in my case, it's what I do.

Ladyearth has been posting on other threads about de-worming and was advised to give 0.23 ml per pound for five days if she want to treat all worms. She was also shown a picture of a syringe that showed exactly how much to give.

My advise is based on more than one vets opinion. I've read thousands of posts and did you know that I have never read one where a vet told someone to de-worm with 1/2 ml Safeguard or Panacur? All have prescribed 0.23 ml per pound for 5 or more days.

I cannot find where it says a vet wrote it. In fact, the top of the page says this:

But if it seemed I was trying to step on your toes somehow.. believe me that I'd NEVER even TRY as I couldn't hold a candle to the experience you have with chickens and we both know that. I would never even TRY to challenge you??? It wasn't anything like that and it's beyond me that you seem to be so angry or bothered by just this???

I simply reached out to try to help a lady that I was afraid may give a massive dose of Safeguard and kill her chicken with her best of intentions. That was all???

Apparently, not agreeing with you upsets you and I can't help that. 1/2ml is the dose everyone here has always instructed me to give my hen and hey...

It worked BEAUTIFULLY!!! She's eating like a pig again, gaining all her weight almost all back again, she's laying again and she's looking great again thank God!!! \

So I respect your dose without a single problem. None. However I will choose to give the lower dose that's been recommended to me...because if I can do it with a lower dose, WHY would I want to put so much medicine in her system??? It's that simple.

You give yours whatever dose you're good with and everyone else will just have to decide what's best for their chickens just as we both have. I guess it's just the way it is. You'll find different doses in different articles just like anything else....

I actually even regret just trying to help this lady now though??? And the thing is ...that I SHOULDN'T!!!

Ladyearth has been dealing with some sort of illness in her flock for quite some time now, and in the past she has used the 1/2 ml method and has not seen improvement. Several things have been suggested... necropsies, fecals, testing, etc, but for various reasons they cannot be done. This was from a few days ago:
Quote:
Originally Posted by RavynFallen

Quote:
Originally Posted by ladyearth

Ive read so much. I thought the Safegurd dosage was .05 ml using a 3cc syringe. (I bought a whole box over the internet...) for a five lb chicken>
on here read.25 per lb. so are we giving too little? we did the dosage for 4 days. cause I saw a worm near the poo on th poo tray..last weekend. It looked like a roundworm.....
lots of loose poo and some foamy
They free range mostly
So do they dispel worms , days later. Cause Hubby thought he saw some real small worms last nite on poo tray...
Im more confused..
used Liquid Safeguard for goats cause had been using Valabenz.
I read on this forum supp to alternate wormers
please explain more.
thanks all

Way under dosing...

Safeguard dosage is .5cc per 2.2 lbs, so a 5 lb chicken should get 1.14cc for 5 consecutive days... you can round that up to 1.25cc as it takes a lot to overdose with Safeguard...

to you.

-Kathy

Edited to add:
This stuff was written by a vet:

 

[casportpony]

Could anyone tell me the dosage of Baytril (I assume the usual 10% injectable) to give my 6lb hen? I've seen the mg/kg stuff but am confused about the mg part. My vet prescribed 1.5 ml for her but she seems quite ill from it - and I'm worried I'm overdosing her.
Thanks for any help and experience you may give us. Her problem is a recurring case of bumblefoot.

To the best of my knowledge, the most 10% (100 mg/ml) a 6 pound hen would usually get is 0.54 ml, which is 20 mg/kg, so I suspect that the in amount your vet prescribed is 2.27% (22.7 mg/kg), and that 1.5 ml works out to about 12.5 mg/kg.

-Kathy

 

[DarleneE]

Whew... good Lord that's way too much to read almost ...much less to get into. So, I'm going to try to be as straight and to the point as I can with it making any sense. As for the Chicken Chick (of whom I have mentioned that I AM NOT FOND OF and usually NEVER agree with NEARLY ANYTHING she writes),but in this case, she did post, and you made note of this up there somewhere? (but for some reason it's not letting me copy and paste(?)),she did state that she "consulted with board certified vets and pathogists in writing this article".. So I don't understand why you feel this has not come from a vet??? Are you feeling she wrote what she felt and just added that to make it look good??? She also goes on to say that most of the info is even regularly distributed by the vets, however by law SHE isn't authorized to distribute this out. So, that was enough for me, being as its also the usual dose I've seen repeatedly recommended by everyone pretty much on this site and by my vet, other than yourself. Which I'm not saying you're wrong BTW!!! Who the heck am I to say that!!! Lol Now THAT would be a joke. What I'm saying is THIS is the dose everyone seems to go with. THAT'S ALL Kathy. That is all I'm saying. You could be right, they could be right.. who knows??? To me,it's not so big an issue if what I give WORKS!!! I just NEED IT TO WORK!!!

Secondly, a friend and other source who is actually very much affiliated with BYC,thus why I will not name,and who is extremely knowledgeable about chickens, and whom I trust fully with the lives of my flock, has also advised me to give the 1/2ml dose and for 3 days on 10 off then repeat.. not the 5 days only.

Thirdly, my personal vet for my other animals, (though not an "avian" vet himself), GAVE ME a syringe filled with about 10ml of Safeguard paste from his own stock, then asked his "avian" vet, right in front of me, what the correct dose would be for my hen, (who at that time was weighing only 4.6lbs so she def was a bit under 5lbs having been so sick!!??) and she replied with the same 1/2ml dose, 3 days on, 10 days off then repeat. That's what she said.

Lastly, no I don't know what type worms she had sadly, but I can tell you they certainly were not "large roundworms" as nothing like this was visible in any of her poop, as they are supposed to be, aren't they??? I'm not sure of that though??? I did read it somewhere though and in fact I think you may have also mentioned it.. not sure.

Sadly a fecal was done, but it was way prior to finding out about giving the Safeguard, the very probable worm infestation etc etc. And pls note, this is IF you could call it a fecal exam, as the quack of a vet I took the "sample" to instructed me to just pick up all the poop in their run and put in a jar and bring it in, never bothering to tell me it had to be collected, brought in and prepared for testing all within 30 minutes of being expelled by the hen!!!
Duh... MY FAULT THOUGH for not doing my homework and simply TRUSTING someone who calls himself a vet!!! Funny though.. he didn't forget to charge me for that fecal.. hmmmm interesting???
Oh and also BTW, this is what I was told as to those results of that fecal test.. word for word by this fool:
"The only thing showing up in the fecal was a Tapeworm, which they are very common in ALL backyard chickens and we don't even treat them as they don't cause any real problems"!!! I KID YOU NOT... SWEAR ON MY LIFE this is what I was told!!!

So again, I thank God for my friend who has also had me immediately treat for the Tapes with Zimecterin Gold. This treatment has only been done in the 1st stage so far and in 10 days from the 1st of the 2 day treatment will be treated again for 2 more days. However after only a few days after treating for those first 2 days, I am suddenly again seeing a ton of poop under where they each roost. For a long time I kept trying to figure out WHY they'd go to roost with their crops so full I thought they'd burst, yet there was almost NO poop under them in the mornings like there always used to be??? Plus with the way she was eating, (the one with the serious weight loss and other type worms also I'm referring to), was no longer gaining any weight, and even the new juvenile Aussie seemed to be at a kind of standstill or actually she was gaining but just very very little considering the way she too was eating,and how she had been gaining when we first got her. But now AGAIN they are BOTH gaining steadily. So this tells me the treatment IS doing something and I can't wait to be done with it and have those nasty things all gone.

So... that's my story and I'm stickin to it.. Lol I'm kidding.. Just making a little joke. Honestly, speaking though Kathy, I know you know your stuff and I also fully trust your judgement and would like to know that should I need your help one day again, that I can count on your help. I'm not here to make enemies... I'm just telling you MY story and how it all went down for me. I'm certain you're doing all you can to help this poor lady who I can now see IS in fact having some very sad and very serious issues with her flock and it truly breaks my heart and I'm praying you can get these birds well for her. I love all animals and get sick inside when I hear of any being sick. Sooooo I wish you the very best of luck in helping her and best of luck to you with your flock Ladyearth!!! May they ALL get well!!!

God bless and all my best to all the chicken and all animal lovers out there.
D

 

[casportpony]

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So... that's my story and I'm stickin to it.. Lol I'm kidding.. Just making a little joke. Honestly, speaking though Kathy, I know you know your stuff and I also fully trust your judgement and would like to know that should I need your help one day again, that I can count on your help. I'm not here to make enemies... I'm just telling you MY story and how it all went down for me. I'm certain you're doing all you can to help this poor lady who I can now see IS in fact having some very sad and very serious issues with her flock and it truly breaks my heart and I'm praying you can get these birds well for her. I love all animals and get sick inside when I hear of any being sick. Sooooo I wish you the very best of luck in helping her and best of luck to you with your flock Ladyearth!!! May they ALL get well!!!

God bless and all my best to all the chicken and all animal lovers out there.
D

Wow, quite the reply,

and I need to go back though it to comment on some things, but just wanted you know know that I will always consider you an online friend and that you can always count on me for *anything*. I might not always be able to help, but I'll always be willing to listen and try to point you in the right direction.

-Kathy