Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[fowlman01]

What is really confusing in the animal world is that often the color names do not match what comes to mind, at least to the average person or newcomer. Also what is called lavender or blue or silver in one breed or type of animal does not necessarily look the same in another breed or type of animal, tho from what I can see, the genetics of the color are usually similar (blue and lavender being dilutes,ect.) I'm having a hard time figuring out some of the different chicken feather colors and it would be helpful to have some photos to show the difference between red, mahogany, red-brown, ect.....

The only way I know of to understand the colors is to go to shows and see actual birds. Lavender is not used by the ABA/APA as a color description for chickens. It is used online only. Both clubs use self blue for what some people call lavender. Photo's are not the best way to see colors as our monitors all show colors differently. People argue with me about this, but go into a Best Buy or any appliance store and look at all the monitors on the wall and you will see that they are not showing color in the same hues.
Monitors can be calibrated to show color faithfully, but the software costs thousands of dollars.

Walt

 

[DMRippy]

Quote: See you pick up something everyday on here.... I did not know that. Now I know why people can't find Columbian Marans

 

[FromChictoChick]

The short one in the front is a roo, the other MIGHT be a pullet.

oh no! I hope not! I can't keep roos in my area and it was so hard to get these two!
I hope if it is a roo I'll be able to rehome him

 

[Wynette]

oh no! I hope not! I can't keep roos in my area and it was so hard to get these two!
I hope if it is a roo I'll be able to rehome him

Um.................sorry to say this, but they BOTH look like cockerels to me. I hope I'm wrong!

See you pick up something everyday on here.... I did not know that. Now I know why people can't find Columbian Marans

You should be able to find some Columbian Marans if you're Googling. There are a few folks working on them, but not many.

 

[nicalandia]

Born 9/1/12
**Hoping** for hens!

Both Roo....

 

[BarnGoddess01]

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As a semi-professional photographer, I was thinking about the monitor thing earlier, when you were talking earlier about PMS. I think most folks don't actually realize how subtle colour variations can be and how far off so many, I would even venture to say MOST monitors are. Digital photography is SO easy to manipulate on so many levels - intentionally and unintentionally.

 

[BarnGoddess01]

GUESS WHAT? Pete Ovalle has agreed to videotape a Marans judging demonstration out in California! We have got permission to post this video here on BYC! WOOT WOOT! Details will follow as things are arranged (I'll also post on the Marans thread.)

Yay, Pete! I had the honour of meeting him at Crossroads last year. Pete is a GREAT guy and very passionate about Marans. I have no doubt we will get LOADS of valuable information.

 

[fowlman01]

As a semi-professional photographer, I was thinking about the monitor thing earlier, when you were talking earlier about PMS. I think most folks don't actually realize how subtle colour variations can be and how far off so many, I would even venture to say MOST monitors are. Digital photography is SO easy to manipulate on so many levels - intentionally and unintentionally.

I can't tell you how many arguments I have had on this site about color and monitors. Digital is great, but the camera can change the color, the monitor can change the color and the ink jet or laser printer is going to change the color. If you drink something with caffeine in it don't try to determine subtle colors because you are not seeing them correctly. In the printing industry we had viewing booths that had the correct light etc to see color accurately. Analog photography was continuous tones, but digital is pixels....with pixels or dots, your eye is mixing the primary colors.

I thought Pete would be OK with this seminar project, but I didn't want to speak for him. Some of the things I will talk about can be applied to any chicken. Once you see a chicken with a flat (straight line) breast you will never forget it. hardly anyone on this site recognizes it. Especially in the Orp threads and Orps are really rounded birds, there should only be a straight line on the back.....the rest should be curves. The two places you will see flat spots or an angle on Marans are the lower breast and the abrupt angle at the base of the tail. These are all major faults. A video will make this a lot easier to understand.

Walt

 

[gilavina]

I can't tell you how many arguments I have had on this site about color and monitors. Digital is great, but the camera can change the color, the monitor can change the color and the ink jet or laser printer is going to change the color. If you drink something with caffeine in it don't try to determine subtle colors because you are not seeing them correctly. In the printing industry we had viewing booths that had the correct light etc to see color accurately. Analog photography was continuous tones, but digital is pixels....with pixels or dots, your eye is mixing the primary colors.

I thought Pete would be OK with this seminar project, but I didn't want to speak for him. Some of the things I will talk about can be applied to any chicken. Once you see a chicken with a flat (straight line) breast you will never forget it. hardly anyone on this site recognizes it. Especially in the Orp threads and Orps are really rounded birds, there should only be a straight line on the back.....the rest should be curves. The two places you will see flat spots or an angle on Marans are the lower breast and the abrupt angle at the base of the tail. These are all major faults. A video will make this a lot easier to understand.

Walt

Thanks for doing this Walt. I think it will be a great resource for everyone!

 

[BarnGoddess01]

I thought Pete would be OK with this seminar project, but I didn't want to speak for him. Some of the things I will talk about can be applied to any chicken. Once you see a chicken with a flat (straight line) breast you will never forget it. hardly anyone on this site recognizes it. Especially in the Orp threads and Orps are really rounded birds, there should only be a straight line on the back.....the rest should be curves. The two places you will see flat spots or an angle on Marans are the lower breast and the abrupt angle at the base of the tail. These are all major faults. A video will make this a lot easier to understand.

Walt

I KNOW how much we have to look forward to after having done one of these seminars with Troy Laroche here in Canada. There is SO much to learn. And thank you, Walt, for being brave enough to do this for us with Pete.

Will you be at Nationals next weekend in Ohio? I assume so ... ?