Black Star Roo

[Fred's Hens]

No, no predictability. You'd likely get pullets that look much like the pullet I posted. The Rooster will look similar, but we got leakage in the wings. The cross with an Gold hen, such as the Orpington would be messy, I should think. Remember also you going from yellow legs in the Black Star, as both parents had yellow legs. The Australorp and Orpington have white/grey legs. Things get muddled.

The Black Australorp seems to "cover" most everything in black. I'm no genetic expert, but the Black Star is already a mutt. Going out much further will produce even more "muttiness", to coin a word.

 

[Fred's Hens]

Fred, that does not make sense genetically. Since the hens are not barred and the roosters are split for barring, about half should be not barred and half should be barred. Last summer I hatched out four with that genetic make-up and got four out of four barred, so I clearly understand that odds are just odds and you are really not likely to see a half and half split unless you hatch a lot of chicks. Did you maybe just hatch a few?

I'll admit to being confused.


When we took the Black Sex-link back, we got a bunch of stuff!!!

We hatched around 50-60 chicks. Almost all the roosters came out mostly barred with almost all of them with severe leakage. The pullets were also a mutty bunch. However, we got a half dozen pullets that were quite nice. They threw back to a dark, if smudgy, Barred Rock. Great yellow legs. Smallish combed. Great personalities and are laying very, very well. We culled all the bizzaro looking ones. Great eating. Ridgerunner, as you know, genetics isn't my forte.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I am wonder what I would get if I went back to the black star hen, will they be predictable the 2nd generation? Solid female, barred male? Temped to go with the Orpington or Australorps....

You are not going to get anything predictable as far as sex links with that cross-breed rooster. It just does not work that way. About half his female offspring will be barred. Abour half will not. About half his male offspring will be barred. About half will not. That is if you cross him with a hen that is not barred. If you cross him with a hen that is barred, they will all be barred.

If you cross him with the Black Australorp, half the male chicks will be solid black and half will be barred. Half the female chicks will be solid black and half will be barred. With any of them, there could be some red or gold leakage, which means a few feathers could be red or gold instead of black.

If you cross him with the BSL hens, both parents of the BSL being RIR over BR, you will get a lot of solid black males and females. You will get a lot of black barred males and females. Any of these could have leakage. But you will also get a lot of chickens that range from white to many different shades of red and with different patterns. The white ones will have black tails and possibly black around the neck. The red could range from a Salmon color to a dark red. Half of these others will be barred and half will not.

I'm going to stay away from Buff Orpington predictions. Strange things go on when that buff is crossed with the black. Rareroo has some real pretty photos that demonstrate that. But they will not be sex links.

Whatever you cross him with, they are going to be mutts. They will not be sex links in any way. We all have our different goals, but personally I'd cross him with all your hens and expect to get a lot of different looking chicks. Since he is a cross, they are not going to be predictable anyway.

 

[rachel1]

No, no predictability. You'd likely get pullets that look much like the pullet I posted. The Rooster will look similar, but we got leakage in the wings. The cross with an Gold hen, such as the Orpington would be messy, I should think. Remember also you going from yellow legs in the Black Star, as both parents had yellow legs. The Australorp and Orpington have white/grey legs. Things get muddled.

The Black Australorp seems to "cover" most everything in black. I'm no genetic expert, but the Black Star is already a mutt. Going out much further will produce even more "muttiness", to coin a word.

Actually my black star hens have grey legs...

 

[rachel1]

You are not going to get anything predictable as far as sex links with that cross-breed rooster. It just does not work that way. About half his female offspring will be barred. Abour half will not. About half his male offspring will be barred. About half will not. That is if you cross him with a hen that is not barred. If you cross him with a hen that is barred, they will all be barred.

If you cross him with the Black Australorp, half the male chicks will be solid black and half will be barred. Half the female chicks will be solid black and half will be barred. With any of them, there could be some red or gold leakage, which means a few feathers could be red or gold instead of black.

If you cross him with the BSL hens, both parents of the BSL being RIR over BR, you will get a lot of solid black males and females. You will get a lot of black barred males and females. Any of these could have leakage. But you will also get a lot of chickens that range from white to many different shades of red and with different patterns. The white ones will have black tails and possibly black around the neck. The red could range from a Salmon color to a dark red. Half of these others will be barred and half will not.

I'm going to stay away from Buff Orpington predictions. Strange things go on when that buff is crossed with the black. Rareroo has some real pretty photos that demonstrate that. But they will not be sex links.

Whatever you cross him with, they are going to be mutts. They will not be sex links in any way. We all have our different goals, but personally I'd cross him with all your hens and expect to get a lot of different looking chicks. Since he is a cross, they are not going to be predictable anyway.

Thanks

 

[Fred's Hens]

The "recipe" for making a black sex link chick varies greatly from hatchery to hatchery. It is very hard to tell just what is in the original parent stock of your birds. That's the toughest part of using sex links in an ongoing breeding program. Hard to say just why your BSL has grey legs. A Black or Grey smear on the front is one thing. That comes from the Barred Rock side of things usually. Pure Grey legs is odd, but certainly not unheard of.

Bottom line, of course, is that when we buy sex links from a hatchery we KNOW we are getting sexed chicks, which is great. But we also know we are getting mutts. Personally, they serve a very valuable place in our flock. It's just that when it comes time to breed them, we are into the great unknown abyss.

 

[rachel1]

The "recipe" for making a black sex link chick varies greatly from hatchery to hatchery. It is very hard to tell just what is in the original parent stock of your birds. That's the toughest part of using sex links in an ongoing breeding program. Hard to say just why your BSL has grey legs. A Black or Grey smear on the front is one thing. That comes from the Barred Rock side of things usually. Pure Grey legs is odd, but certainly not unheard of.

Bottom line, of course, is that when we buy sex links from a hatchery we KNOW we are getting sexed chicks, which is great. But we also know we are getting mutts. Personally, they serve a very valuable place in our flock. It's just that when it comes time to breed them, we are into the great unknown abyss.

I hatched my roo from a BR hen and a RIR roo, did not get them from a hatchery

 

[rachel1]

Looking for a pic of them but i dont have any .....sorry

 

[ooptec]

hey,

Here are my F2 black sexlinks. There was a black wyandotte and a black sex link roo's resposible.



The white hens are cornsh X's



The keeper F2 rooster



More hens

cheers

 

[snowstar5]

I have a rooster and a black star hen. the rooster isn't a black star so I was wondering if they would get along. I have had a sultan hen and a silkie rooster (died). so my other rooster isn't a silkie but was great friends with him. I have heard that starlight (black star hen) would kill him. is that true?