Blue American Orphingtons

[Tuffoldhen]

I don't see the American or the English standard in my Orpingtons looking anything like Cochin!

 

[kathyinmo]

I have Cochins, English Orps, and American Orps. Well, actually I just recently sold the last of my "American," Orps. I like the larger English imported type. My Cochins and Orps do not look at all alike to me.

Just like we all have different preferences, we all see things differently, too, I guess.

 

[RedReiner]

none of mine do either, they also dont look bloated. they are big enough to check my pants pockets for treats. definitely not short round basketballs. They originated in the UK. I will stick to what they are supposed to look like. and thats why we are all different. everyone likes a particular type. nothing wrong with that.

 

[Katy]

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Ok...I've been sitting here stewing about your comments only because I thought that bad-mouthing the "english' vs the "american" birds was supposed to be off limits here.

It's fine if you don't like them.....means the more for the rest of us who do like them.

I have nothing against the "american" style of birds.....I think they're pretty birds, just not what I care for. My roosters do not look bloated...nor has anyone elses that I've seen. They are big and very broad birds. They have more bulk to them and that is what I prefer. I'm trying to find the pictures I saw somewhere of different breeds sillouettes (sp?)...... the cochins and the orpingtons looked nothing alike. I thought it showed the differences very well.

 

[FourPawz]

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Those are some nice looking Orps. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Wynette]

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Ok...I've been sitting here stewing about your comments only because I thought that bad-mouthing the "english' vs the "american" birds was supposed to be off limits here.

It's fine if you don't like them.....means the more for the rest of us who do like them.

I have nothing against the "american" style of birds.....I think they're pretty birds, just not what I care for. My roosters do not look bloated...nor has anyone elses that I've seen. They are big and very broad birds. They have more bulk to them and that is what I prefer. I'm trying to find the pictures I saw somewhere of different breeds sillouettes (sp?)...... the cochins and the orpingtons looked nothing alike. I thought it showed the differences very well.

Sheesh! I don't feel like stating a personal preference either way is "bad mouthing." RELAX, folks! Life is WAY too short to let someone's personal preference get you all heated up.

 

[iajewel]

To me, this is not bad mouthing either type, its sharing differences and differences in taste. Just like I prefer some things judges may not in my personal flock. I feed them, I love them and I breed for what makes me happy. Now Im a purest, so I do not want to screw up the breed, or sell birds to people that they won't be happy with as per breed standard. On the other hand, we have strains, and styles all our own as breeders. If a breeder has been around long enough you can just look at one of their birds and know where it came from.

I don't think talking about what makes us happy as individuals is bad. I also don't feel anyone is putting anyone down here.. I would be grateful for a few "put downs" or comments on my birds. I see them everyday and I don't see the things I maybe should tweek like someone going to shows ( that I don't have where I live) or someone doing allot more personal socializing with in the breed. If someone said, " I think the tails shouldn't be so long" or You need to work on type, or color.. I would not be offended.. Now if they said my birds are trash and I should keep my photos to my self I may take offence.. I don't hear anyone saying things like that here.. so.. Im sorry if you feel that way.. but.. I like open conversation personally.. I learn from both good and opinionated comments.

 

[Katy]

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Ok...I've been sitting here stewing about your comments only because I thought that bad-mouthing the "english' vs the "american" birds was supposed to be off limits here.

It's fine if you don't like them.....means the more for the rest of us who do like them.

I have nothing against the "american" style of birds.....I think they're pretty birds, just not what I care for. My roosters do not look bloated...nor has anyone elses that I've seen. They are big and very broad birds. They have more bulk to them and that is what I prefer. I'm trying to find the pictures I saw somewhere of different breeds sillouettes (sp?)...... the cochins and the orpingtons looked nothing alike. I thought it showed the differences very well.

Sheesh! I don't feel like stating a personal preference either way is "bad mouthing." RELAX, folks! Life is WAY too short to let someone's preference get all heated up.

I guess it's the way it was said that irritated me.

Just seems like the people who prefer the american birds are threatened or something by some of us preferring the english style bird....why else do they even care what the rest of us like and have.

 

[scbatz33]

I'm not sure how the Op's not liking a certain "style" of bird is badmouthing. It's not like she said they were stupid and should be wiped off the face of the earth. Besides if comparing an orpington to a cochin is badmouthing, I'd think the cochin lovers on this thread would be seriously insulted.

Why is it any time someone has a descending opinion from the "main stream" they are bad mouthing? It is a fact that english style orps have more feathering. It's a fact that american style orps are leggier.

I personally think the english orps look like feathery basketballs, too. Granted, the ones I've seen are all in pictures so it's hard to really get a gauge on size. But all that feathering, that's what I find appealing about them. I like that they don't look like the american orp standard. I personally don't like what has been done to the orp since it's been here in the last say 50 years. It's also why I don't have strictly american orps. I have orps that fall somewhere in between.

Maybe bloated was not the best adjective, although I've seen pics of birds on here for which that is a perfect description - like a puffer fish bloats. Big and round but feathery, not scaly. To many of us, that's attractive. To others it's not. That doesn't mean they don't have the right to that opinion. And it certainly doesn't mean the OP should be chastised or ganged up against because that's the opinion she holds.

 

[Katy]

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Maybe "bad-mouthing" wasn't the correct term to use, but I used it for lack of a better one.

I guess I don't see why there should be any problem with an English breed looking like the English breed them....after all they did develop in England....not America. The English may very well look at the American style and shake their heads at how "their" breed has been ruined.