Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[punky rooster]

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thats fine.
about the Backyard Poultry artical have you done one before? if so which one?

 

[Chris09]

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I totally understand.

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I believe you'll find that a lot of people agree with you.


Chris

 

[Chickielady]

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Yes, I agree totally.
If one organization say one thing and another says another than which do we choose ?
I still am partial to my own belief that if the bird was created here, than it is a heritage bird of this Nation.
As for the others, I too choose to breed Javas and in saying that yes they are from Java and so really cannot be claimed by the US of A as an United States Heritage breed BUT< it can be considered an 'heirloom' breed here in the us of A.
Most definitely !
Same with Cubalays...A treasured Heirloom breed !
OK enough of this, and maybe when you write a paper you can write it on what exactly is an 'Heirloom' compared to what is exactly a "Heritage "?
Looking up the two definitions in the dictionary would explain one as passed down among a family and the other as a sort of treasure...so maybe you can write on the two differences.
Then there are some that classify some breeds as both heirloom and Heritage....*sigh* It is confusing and infinite.

 

[mississippifarmboy]

I finally got a few pictures up of our Orloffs on the Russian Orloffs thread. https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=297764&p=42 Don't want to double post and get scolded by the mods, but I would appreciate any help ya'll could give me on possible pairings, breeding to get the correct leg color, etc..
Can post there or here, I follow both threads.

Thanks

 

[Chickielady]

http://albc-usa.org/heritagechicken/definition.html
This from ALBC, which is in agreement with the APA and lists the APA list definition of 'Heritage' breeds...interesting, 2 organizations in agreement..wow.
This is exactly Punky's list.

 

[Chickielady]

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beautiful birds !
I have to look away !

 

[saladin]

punky,
I've had at least one article in every issue of Backyard Poultry since they began anew in 2006.

Actually, I think the words 'heirloom' and 'heritage' have been thrown around so much as to be basically meaningless.

I prefer more exact language; such as Ancient, Modern, etc. I think the country of origin is important mind you; however, when speaking of heritage fowl, just for example, why wouldn't the Spanish White Face rank among the highest American Heritage breeds since the Spanish brought them to our shores long before any of the one's we now call American breeds? (They also brought with them the Spanish Game).

Or, how long does a fowl have to be in American hands to be considered ours too? The Asil, which is the oldest documented breed in the world, has been in America for nearly 200 years now. Sure, I know where it originated and I think our Standard is quite accurate (though the India breeders prefer white legs), but how long must it be here before it is one of our heritage breeds? Or what about the Ga Don and Ga Cua which are held by Vietnamese Americans. The Ga Cua is extremely rare in America and in Vietnam. Even though these two breeds are relatively new imports to our shores they are nonetheless 'heritage.'

Thus, more exact language is called for in my opinion. I did write about this a couple of years ago in BP.

 

[fowlman01]

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The APA has no current policy on the definition of "Heritage Poultry". There is an APA committee that is determining the APA's role in Heritage poultry.
The APA Standard Committee needs some type of action to admit a breed to the SOP and if that action regards an existing breed recognized by the ABA, the admission can be easier than a non ABA recognized breed. The procedures for admission are in the front of the 2001 SOP.

Walt

 

[Cuban Longtails]

Punky - Saladin has written many articles for Backyard Poultry. He's featured in every edition! He's a fountain of information regarding raising fowl, breeding, culling, and has a lot of experience restoring breeds in accordance with their breed standards.

I'm with Saladin & Chris, the truest "American" heritage breed is the American Game. Some, if not all of the current American class birds can trace part of their lineage to a dunghill American Game.

I think folks need to not look at the "American" class as meaning strictly the US, because as Saladin tried to explain the class encompasses all of the North American continent not just the United States.

I believe the Russian was dropped from the APA standard due to a lack of breed interest (no one was actively showing them). The breed is still listed in the ABA standard.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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The APA has no current policy on the definition of "Heritage Poultry". There is an APA committee that is determining the APA's role in Heritage poultry.
The APA Standard Committee needs some type of action to admit a breed to the SOP and if that action regards an existing breed recognized by the ABA, the admission can be easier than a non ABA recognized breed. The procedures for admission are in the front of the 2001 SOP.

Walt

A certain fowlman can also look in the front of his 2010 SOP! Can't wait until mine arrives. Any news about that slow boat from china? I ordered a copy at Shawnee.

Will be nice when the "Heritage" committee gives a recommendation of a definition.