Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Chickielady]

Illia post the photos of your Tolbunt when it was raining and they were all wet..excellent photography, and beautiful birds !
I think I still have a link to them, gorgeous birds !

 

[CharlieVoda]

Duane Urch has had his line of standard bred Mottled Houdan since 1961 They are some of the best in the country. I would get 50 chicks or more if possible if you are serious about them. You can not get 15 chicks and expect to get all great birds. There is a reason breeders raise a hundred plus birds per breed annually. It takes big numbers to get a few good birds.

Good luck with the birds
Charlie

 

[Robert Blosl]

Charlie is a Houdan a French Rhode Island Red? Did you go visit the waterfowl king today? bob

 

[OSUman]

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The only flock of standard-ish houdan of which I know is suffering from laying issues--a sign of excessive inbreeding.

I'm working with Tolbunt Polish, the most inbred and unreliable color of Polish around.

I'd deal with them if I could get a cockerel from such lines.

I would recomend crossing Golden Laced Polish (or whatever they call it) on to the Tolbunt Polish to improve their color and fertility.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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[Yard full o' rocks]

Morning everyone....here is an email I received from a man that I gave a few of my extra Ohio CR cockerels to

Well I took one of the cockerels I got from you to the show in Jefferson this weekend, he won best of variety and best of breed, though it was by default, there were no other standard plymouth rocks there. I would have just been happy not to get a DQ. I did get to speak to the judge, Tim Bowles, he said he raises them as well and to my surprise he thought the color was still a bit too light, and he was undersized, he said he has the same problem with his birds. Size wasn't a surprise, but reading the SOP I thought my bird had a bit darker under color, and a bit more black on the wing bay than called for. He told me that breeding to a white rock would improve size and keep most of your color, and what little you would loose in color would be easier to breed back into the line. He mentioned that breeding to a light brahma was also an option for improving color, then breeding selectively for type and clean leg. He also mentioned the brassiness on the back, but I believe that is as much from red clay and sunshine, not so much genetic. He said he was a great bird, he wasn't trying to down the bird, but I specifically asked for constructive criticism.

I knew that this line was on the small size, but the comment about being "too light in color" throws me a bit. I have asked him to clarify if the judge was commenting on the top color or the undercolor.

In either case, in the Columbian pattern

How can the top color be too light? And what do you do to improve it?

I understand the undercolor being too light and I have means to improve that.

REMEMBER, this was not one of the Canadian birds being judged, but the line I have from Ohio, obtained prior to the the Canadian trio

Thanks...

Scott

 

[fowlman01]

Yard full o' rocks :

Morning everyone....here is an email I received from a man that I gave a few of my extra Ohio CR cockerels to

Well I took one of the cockerels I got from you to the show in Jefferson this weekend, he won best of variety and best of breed, though it was by default, there were no other standard plymouth rocks there. I would have just been happy not to get a DQ. I did get to speak to the judge, Tim Bowles, he said he raises them as well and to my surprise he thought the color was still a bit too light, and he was undersized, he said he has the same problem with his birds. Size wasn't a surprise, but reading the SOP I thought my bird had a bit darker under color, and a bit more black on the wing bay than called for. He told me that breeding to a white rock would improve size and keep most of your color, and what little you would loose in color would be easier to breed back into the line. He mentioned that breeding to a light brahma was also an option for improving color, then breeding selectively for type and clean leg. He also mentioned the brassiness on the back, but I believe that is as much from red clay and sunshine, not so much genetic. He said he was a great bird, he wasn't trying to down the bird, but I specifically asked for constructive criticism.

I knew that this line was on the small size, but the comment about being "too light in color" throws me a bit. I have asked him to clarify if the judge was commenting on the top color or the undercolor.

In either case, in the Columbian pattern

How can the top color be too light? And what do you do to improve it?

I understand the undercolor being too light and I have means to improve that.

REMEMBER, this was not one of the Canadian birds being judged, but the line I have from Ohio, obtained prior to the the Canadian trio

Thanks...

Scott

Generally if this color is too light, it shows up as indistinct penciling in the chest of the female. I would have to see the bird.

Walt​

 

[Yard full o' rocks]

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Generally if this color is too light, it shows up as indistinct penciling in the chest of the female. I would have to see the bird.

Walt

Thanks Walt....this was a cockerel, so I wonder if it was the undercolor being too light (???) I dont know

 

[fowlman01]

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This was one of my Houdans back in the day. At that time Gary Wilson, Cloverdale, CA and Barb Piper, MI had some very good Houdan LF.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

Yard full o' rocks :

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Generally if this color is too light, it shows up as indistinct penciling in the chest of the female. I would have to see the bird.

Walt

Thanks Walt....this was a cockerel, so I wonder if it was the undercolor being too light (???) I dont know​

OH..ok, that is different. I don't think I have ever seen a male with top color that looked too light, unless the primary and secondaries didn't have enough color. It should have slate undercolor. Tim Bowles is a good judge, he must have seen something that looked light.

Walt