Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[fowlman01]

I guess you call them, "Superior Farms," line then. Correct?

The point I am getting to is this - for example -
If someone has my Delawares and Braden's and Sandhill's - they mix them all together...... I certainly do not want to be referred to. When all mixed up like that - in my opinion - it becomes THEIR line. Where "the blood," came from is irrelevant, as God only knows which genes were culled for (if any) and which were passed on.

Another thing - I have heard some say - for example, "the genes are there," when they have a cull from good stock. (Well, of course, there are always culls.) In my opinion, "the genes are NOT there," and that is why the bird was a cull. Not ALL genes are passed on.

Tell me, Walt and Bob, is my thinking right here?.

The bird that Jim posted that belonged to me was at that point a tenth generation of Raph's strain. He did not object to me calling it my strain and I always gave/give him credit for his hard work. It only takes 2-3 years to really destroy a strain if you don't know what you are doing, so I think it is fair for a person to call it theirs after a couple of years. I don't encourage people to call my birds I sell them my strain cuz more than likely in a short time they are not going to look like something I want my name attached to. These strain names don't mean a whole lot to me unless they are first generation birds directly from the breeder.
As an example in the Marans world the name Wade Jean is attached to most of the auction eggs, birds etc and if all that was true he would have had to hatch a million birds and he didn't.

The genes may not be there after a season of breeding and culling incorrectly. You have to start with what you have, but after that you can't just throw these birds together and expect them to hold their own or improve.

My advice is that unless the noted breeder hands you the bird don't believe what strain it is. The whose strain it is game is just nonsense .......I laugh out loud sometimes when I read those kinds of posts.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

Boy has Buffs changed since Dr Lewis Clevenger had them.

That is an awesome cockerel.

Walt

 

[thedragonlady]

Except for stiffer main tail feathers, the girls look more like today's Eng. Os. Massive too.

Boy has Buffs changed since Dr Lewis Clevenger had them.

 

[thedragonlady]

The bird that Jim posted that belonged to me was at that point a tenth generation of Raph's strain. He did not object to me calling it my strain and I always gave/give him credit for his hard work. It only takes 2-3 years to really destroy a strain if you don't know what you are doing, so I think it is fair for a person to call it theirs after a couple of years. I don't encourage people to call my birds I sell them my strain cuz more than likely in a short time they are not going to look like something I want my name attached to. These strain names don't mean a whole lot to me unless they are first generation birds directly from the breeder.
As an example in the Marans world the name Wade Jean is attached to most of the auction eggs, birds etc and if all that was true he would have had to hatch a million birds and he didn't.

The genes may not be there after a season of breeding and culling incorrectly. You have to start with what you have, but after that you can't just throw these birds together and expect them to hold their own or improve.

My advice is that unless the noted breeder hands you the bird don't believe what strain it is. The whose strain it is game is just nonsense .......I laugh out loud sometimes when I read those kinds of posts.

Walt

Establishing a line of any livestock is rather like creating a lovely garden. It takes 20 years of work to create either, and 20 minutes to destroy it.

 

[aveca]

i agree with vicki, they do look more uk.. what happened? those birds look wonderful..i see a lot of scrawney looking , looked like somone karate chopped them behind the neck not so vibrant colored birds today, you could almost say...dull looking, dropped wings, everything not too appealing going on..thats why i wasnt too interested in them...seemed like they lost the TYPE that the brits value so much.. when i talked to my nephew in britian liam, he said type type type..looks like superior had it, but where did it go?

 

[fowlman01]

Except for stiffer main tail feathers, the girls look more like today's Eng. Os. Massive too.

Yes, they do with one major exception. Look at the massive heads on those birds. Now that is a head! I don't know why the females look so loose feathered when that cockerel is nice and clean. It almost looks like two strains.

Walt

 

[lildinkem]

Also look at the width in between those legs on them hens The one in the upper right looks almost like he crossed in Cornish.

 

[fowlman01]

Also look at the width in between those legs on them hens The one in the upper right looks almost like he crossed in Cornish.

A good Orp needs that width between the legs......it shows that it has the capacity for all the internal organs.

Walt

 

[ashandvine]

Dear Walt and Karen , thank you for the information on the Houdans. I had noticed that the mottling wasn't really the same and the tails were different... and beards. Its hard to know from just pictures. Although, the ones posted of the HUGE Orps... wow. That is something I can see the differences in immediately. I recently asked someone if their birds had a british body type and they had no idea what I meant. I am glad I wasn't using the term incorrectly. I'll try to get rid of what I have and see what or if I can find something else.

 

[aveca]

bill , i dont know where you find all of these gems..i had to save that to my gallery..great old ad..you are a treasure hunter and find these great old keepers...that would be great made larger , framed in an orp barn just as decoration of how great they were..I LOVE that big hen upper right..