Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[3riverschick]

Lots of good chicken info here. A great database of online cites.
The Online Books Page (keyword : "chickens")
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=lcsubc&key=Chickens&c=x

Not sure this is exactly on target, but Favorelles are mentioned.

Pilot studies in organic broiler production – management and cross-breeds
Author: Bassler, Arnd; Ciszuk, Paul
Edition/Format: Downloadable archival material : English
http://tinyurl.com/9hw2vy9

This is interesting.
http://tinyurl.com/9g6xxjj
Descriptive circular of Buckeyes, the great fancy and utility red.
Imprint: Logan, O. [n.d.] Description: [3] p.
Even more intriging is the set-p of ths page. What are they saying? That they will email anyone the document? Hum....

Salmon Faverolles breeding
http://tinyurl.com/9zvoefm
The Poultry monthly - Volume 23 - Page 486 & 487
1901 - Full view, includes Standard
The last line of the Standard has been cut of by the digitizer. Nuts. Perhaps this Vol. 23 of Poultry Monthly has been digitized elsewhere which contains the missing text?
(to copy info out of Google Books:
Click on the "wagon wheel" icon in the upper right corner.
Select "Plain Text". Scroll down and "copy and paste" selected text.)
For further study: Imported into US by Valley Farm in
Simsbury, Connecticut circa 1901 . Is Mr. Joseph B. Thomas, Jr.
the name of the owner of Valley Farm? In this era, often local papers and libraries would proudly keep notices and articles written by locals. As this was such an important importation, there may be news and perhaps a breeding article on the birds in local sources. I've found local librarians a huge help in research.

Blue Andalusians
6. RAZAS AVÍCOLAS DE IMPORTANCIA PARA LA GANADERÍA ECOLÓGICA ………………
(RELEVANT TO POULTRY BREEDS organic livestock)
6.1. Andaluza Azul ……………………………………………………………………………………………. Pages 31 & 32
http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/open...roduccixn_EcolxgicaGallinasPonedoras_baja.pdf
6.1. Blue Andalusian
It's a bird mediterráneo3 type of medium size, of tall and trunk
intestine. The crest is simple, the tabs are white and features a ribbed
darker feathers. It may occur in 5 varieties, Black
Barred (Franciscan, Cuckoo), Blue, White, Cinderella and Aperdizada (Type
wild). It is an ancient breed, whose reference dates back to 1851, which
struck by putting abundant and the size of their eggs
(70-80 g).
It is a bird that has significant potential for spawning, as reported
production of 165 eggs per year, which makes it very suitable
for extensive farms that feed primarily on resources
3 The Mediterranean birds are very light, slender morphology, almost identical in all of them and a couple of
characteristics: the orejilla and white shell.
own holdings. The adult weight ranges from 2.5 to 3 kg. their eggs
are white and weigh up to 58 g. This breed belongs to Catalog
Officer Spain4 Cattle Breeds
Gallo Blue Andalusian Breed
(Photo courtesy of Blue Andalusian Association)
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Putting this URL: http://andaluzaazul.foroactivo.com/forum
thru Google translate and asking for Spanish to English translation gets you a hot link to the Blue Aandalusian forum and lets you surf the entire Spanish forum in English.
To post to the Forum, write a post and translate it into Spnish using Google Translate, then post to the Foru, then read responses the same way.
Google Translate has the most nimble of all online machine translation platforms. I forget the manufacturers name, but was going to buy the platform for myself $$$$, then discovered Google was already offering it for free. Yeah!
Try surfing Google with these related terms in Spanish. Google will autmatically give you option to view the page translated into English:
el pollo andaluz azul
the blue andalusian chicken
---
the blue andalusian poultry
el azul de las aves de corral andaluz
----
blue andalusian poultry
azul andaluz aves de corral
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breeding blue andalusian poultry
cría de aves de corral azul andaluz
-----
Blue Andalusian breed
de raza Azul Andaluza
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Andalucía (name for Andalusian region)
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Blue Andalusian Association (breed club)
de Asociación Andaluza Azul

 

[3riverschick]

Very interesting history and as I live in Massachusetts, I do wonder if the Natick Market is perhaps Natick, Mass which is now a large city rather than a metroplis of chicken marketing. Arille,
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You may be right. I was reading last night and found both Natick and Taunton mentioned in the same article as centers for poultry back in the early part of the last century.
Best,
Karen

 

[Robert Blosl]

Excellent bird dogging. Now if you could find any lost strains of chickens that someone has in the woods that belonged to some master breeder 30 years ago.. Every year we locate one or two lost strains that people have and they go back to 20 to 30 years ago.

I found some white wyandotte large fowl that Al Eriquiua from Idaho sent to a judge who is dead. Now the question is how do I get some of these birds out of there so we can breed them back to what they where 10 years ago. Also, found a trio of Mottled Javas from Dr . Albert McGraw from Alabama should be able to get them this January.
' Playing in dirt repoting plants with my wife fun. Walt Mr. Silkie says he dont need a heated house this winter he needs three females to keep him warm. How about half black silkies and half white rocks or buff Brahmas for next year. I can start a new breed along with my cherry eager's.

Going to Matt 1616 house to look at his R I Reds and those German Chickens. Will take some pictures and post latter.

You all have a nice day.

 

[Arielle]

Bob, The only person I know of is Robert Rhodes in Mendon, MA, he has had buckeyes forever. Maybe you already know about him. He is getting older, and when I talked to him a year ago, he was down to 2 males and a handful of females. He was very nice to talk with, about the only person totally honest about his birds. Gotta love that.

 

[thedragonlady]

Excellent bird dogging. Now if you could find any lost strains of chickens that someone has in the woods that belonged to some master breeder 30 years ago.. Every year we locate one or two lost strains that people have and they go back to 20 to 30 years ago.

I found some white wyandotte large fowl that Al Eriquiua from Idaho sent to a judge who is dead. Now the question is how do I get some of these birds out of there so we can breed them back to what they where 10 years ago. Also, found a trio of Mottled Javas from Dr . Albert McGraw from Alabama should be able to get them this January.
' Playing in dirt repoting plants with my wife fun. Walt Mr. Silkie says he dont need a heated house this winter he needs three females to keep him warm. How about half black silkies and half white rocks or buff Brahmas for next year. I can start a new breed along with my cherry eager's.

Going to Matt 1616 house to look at his R I Reds and those German Chickens. Will take some pictures and post latter.

You all have a nice day.

Bob,
Have you ever found out what happened to Charles Tigner's Silver Penciled Rocks ? They were the best I've ever seen. He lived in Seale, Ala. Warren Stark used to travel with him, and might know. The last I knew, Warren lived there too.

 

[Robert Blosl]

Quote: Will ask around I never saw his Silver Pencil led Rocks since I have shown large fowl or bantams. There is a good strain in Michigan a tiny bit small but very good color. That is the only strain worth a hoot that I have seen and there are some in Calif she shared with a lady.

Partridge Rocks we have a good strain in Cantonment Florida that came from Dick Horstman and a fellow in Michigan who has some of those.

Colombian Rocks are in Georgia Yard Full of Rocks thats where I would go in a heart beat.

Barred Rocks many are around. Some males tails are very sorry. Jamie Duck worth in North Carolina has a nice strain he has worked on for about four years and Craig Shaffer has a strain that he has worked on for about 15 years that came from a nephew of Ralph Sturgeon and the males have a good tails.

Buff Rocks Tom Roebuck in Va. and maybe a few sub strains of the Peterson line in Minn.

Thats it I am brain dead on strains. White Rocks who has the oldest pure strain in the USA with out any out crosses?

Might be Joe Ipswich on Fish River?


Well going to Matt 1616 farm to look at Red Chickens, and those German chickens for got their names. Pictures coming.

 

[3riverschick]

Dick Horstman has Silver Penciled Rocks.
Karen

 

[capayvalleychick]

Now if you could find any lost strains of chickens that someone has in the woods that belonged to some master breeder 30 years ago.. Every year we locate one or two lost strains that people have and they go back to 20 to 30 years ago.

I've done a lot of research and searching for an old strain of Silver Gray Dorkings.

I don't know when Gene Patterson started with Dorkings, but he did have them in the 70's & 80's. He retired from breeding and Mary Wetterstroem in FL got the last of his Reds & Silvers, this year. There was only one cock and 12 hens left of his Silvers. They are about 3-4 years old.

According to Phil Bartz, "Gene's genetics mostly go back to what Craig Russell managed to save from what was left of the old stringman's lines. Gene did create his own strain but they were not that diverse if you are talking genetics."

Phil said that they are not what they were in the 70's, but he is confident that Mary will do her best to get them back to good type. Mary entered many of her Dorkings in the FL State Fair this year. One of Gene's hens placed Reserve English and BB.

Regarding the Colored Dorkings, someone just told me that there are none left anywhere that meet the Standard. I know Craig Russell has Coloreds. He was at the last Crossroads show and had some there, I think. Did any of you see them? Were they close to Standard?

I also have a very stupid question.

Can someone explain to me what a Stringman was???

Thanks

 

[fowlman01]

Bob, The only person I know of is Robert Rhodes in Mendon, MA, he has had buckeyes forever. Maybe you already know about him. He is getting older, and when I talked to him a year ago, he was down to 2 males and a handful of females. He was very nice to talk with, about the only person totally honest about his birds. Gotta love that.

He is a really good guy!

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

Will ask around I never saw his Silver Pencil led Rocks since I have shown large fowl or bantams. There is a good strain in Michigan a tiny bit small but very good color. That is the only strain worth a hoot that I have seen and there are some in Calif she shared with a lady.

Partridge Rocks we have a good strain in Cantonment Florida that came from Dick Horstman and a fellow in Michigan who has some of those.

Colombian Rocks are in Georgia Yard Full of Rocks thats where I would go in a heart beat.

Barred Rocks many are around. Some males tails are very sorry. Jamie Duck worth in North Carolina has a nice strain he has worked on for about four years and Craig Shaffer has a strain that he has worked on for about 15 years that came from a nephew of Ralph Sturgeon and the males have a good tails.

Buff Rocks Tom Roebuck in Va. and maybe a few sub strains of the Peterson line in Minn.

Thats it I am brain dead on strains. White Rocks who has the oldest pure strain in the USA with out any out crosses?

Might be Joe Ipswich on Fish River?


Well going to Matt 1616 farm to look at Red Chickens, and those German chickens for got their names. Pictures coming.

Sometimes it is the breeder hiding in the woods. A lot of people didn't know about MG Oakford who was the best Call duck breeder ever. they saw his birds a lot cuz people would buy and then show them. He created the Snowy Call and then took one to a show and won Best of Show in a 3500 bird show. He started with Mallards and a white Call.
George Priest in Socal was another one that didn't show, but supplied the show winners with birds. These guys are hard to find, but there are still some of them around. They don't show, but are master breeders. I have extra black Silkies, but I can't ship anything our of here. maybe eggs next year. these are actually good Silkies, but I can't show them or if I do I can't call them sissy birds anymore. I take my Serama table judging test this weekend. hope I can pass the test.

Walt