Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Bentley]

[SIZE=11pt]What is a Standard Breed Poultry Preservationist? [/SIZE]

What do you think in 30 words or less.

Wow, 30 words or less is tough for me, especially since I used half of them with this statement.

It is someone who selects a breed that is in dire need of preservation because of its lack of 'popularity' and works to improve the breed back to SOP standard and then distributes those birds to as many other breeders as possible.

 

[Wynette]

Good one, Bentley!

To me, preserve means to protect. For critters, that would mean (to me) to do my part so that it does not become endangered...to do my part... yup - what you said above!

 

[buffalogal]

How about these birds out in the grass, where they're supposed to be?

 

[ashandvine]

It is someone who selects a breed that is in dire need of preservation because of its lack of 'popularity' and works to improve the breed back to SOP standard and then distributes those birds to as many other breeders as possible.

What we are doing in the Russian Orloff thread then? How nice to have a formal title. How does that stand in contrast with another term that's sprung up; 'propagators?' Are preservation societies who do not breed for standards not preservation centers but really propagators? I wonder if that would make a difference to their 501c3 standing? How should a keeper of fowl qualify as a Preservationist? Is it a pure dedication to one breed and the commitment of its standards to their memory? Would it exclude or demand the sale of progeny? Would there be standards for who could then buy them so to maintain the standards so earnestly labored for? Could they apply for 501c3 standing?

The birds above are lovely.

 

[Wynette]

How about these birds out in the grass, where they're supposed to be?

Come on, how do you know when the pic was taken? Perhaps it was night time and they were cooped in for the evening. There are many reasons these birds could have been indoors when this picture was taken - let's be fair.

 

[kathyinmo]

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We are not an "organization," so I don't believe it applies to us.

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[kathyinmo]

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During breeding season, I keep my breeders penned.

 

[thedragonlady]

I posted that more to let you know it is not just APA judges who are disregarding weights. ABA judges are letting underweight birds go to. The reference to the club rules was regarding weighing the birds. Clubs can put that into place, it is just too hot of a political issue........I am guessing that is the reason, I don't know. The APA/ABA as organizations have no rules against weighing birds. Lots of folks like to put their spin on what the APA SOP says and most of the time it does not say what they are telling people online that it says. musclumb actually cites pages of the SOP, so that a person can see for themselves, instead of relying on info posted here.

So you are going to blame judges for over weight birds when birds are not weighed and you are purposely breeding overweight birds?.....and bragging about it online? I feel that the burden is on the breeder even more than the judge. It's not an issue if breeders follow ALL of the SOP and stop raising birds that do not meet the Standard, just because that is the way they like them.

If anyone wants a change to the APA SOP, we are in the revision mode now, so bring about change if you think it is warranted. There has to be a compelling reason to change the SOP and it is voted on my the Board. Don't just blame the APA when you know full well ABA judges are as bad with over/underweight birds. There are a lot more underweight birds being shown than overweight birds and most are bantams.......

Walt

Walt,

From what I've seen , the ABA boys are letting a lot of very large Silkies , Cochins , and Brahmas through to win. Some are huge ! I mentioned ABA also in my post.

You are telling me to stay home, and breed these birds down , when all the guys are breeding them bigger and bigger to win ? Lots of luck with that notion . I'd loved to have been at the ON with a scale to weigh the Rocks who won . Maybe one day "Big Bird" of Sessame Street will win ! Must be a "Man thing" to want to have birds so huge , but it's not much fun showing if you haven't a chance at winning with a 10 lb bird.

I do agree , in the interest of fairness , in weighing all the birds in a variety if one is penalized , or DQd for weight , over or under . Feathers can be deceiving.

 

[buffalogal]

Come on, how do you know when the pic was taken? Perhaps it was night time and they were cooped in for the evening. There are many reasons these birds could have been indoors when this picture was taken - let's be fair.

"Fair"?

I didn't say it was bad to take a picture of them inside a building, just that I'd like to see a picture of the birds outside on the grass, where I would think most heritage large fowl were developed. If the idea is to preserve the old SoP breeds the way they existed 50, 75, 100 years ago, wouldn't that include keeping them MOL the same way? And before everyone gets their hackles up and starts saying "I have to keep my birds inside...", I'm not saying that having a bird in a building is wrong, I'm saying that for the sake of attracting people to these old breeds, which is the more attractive image, and which is more in keeping with the breed's heritage? A flock of gorgeous, thrifty SoP hens outside in a yard or a flock of birds scuffling around in a building?

 

[Lacy Blues]

I only wish I had grass!

Ah well... maybe next year.