Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[3riverschick]

So it looks like any buddy can be a master breeder if they want to I guess the art and science factor is all bogus.
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Interesting you should mention this. I like reading articles from 1906 thru 1914. Mendel was rediscovered in 1902. By 1906, the influence of his work had spread far enough thru the breeding and scientific world, we begin to see these articles and studies on the effect of Mendel and the new area called "genetics" on the other practice of "the art of breeding". Before "what's his name" coined the term "gene(s)", they were called "unit character(s)". This little 12 page paper I was reading this evening(haven't finished it yet) is an interesting discussion of how "art" tistic breeders and Geneticists manipulate unit characters and the growing knowledge about how to do it. http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007676559
It's a paper about plant breeding but the discussion is so general, it's also interesting to animal breeders.
First place I have ever seen "unit characters" defined.
Oh well, maybe this is only interesting to me.
However there are a couple of books out there which make good reading. Davies' 1897, 'The Art and Science of Breeding To Type" , reprinted by Home Farm Books.http://tinyurl.com/dyfqe8m
And Davis's 1896 , "The art of poultry breeding" http://tinyurl.com/bq8vlld
read online for free.

 

[Robert Blosl]

9-9-2010

I just got an email from a person who needs Barred Rock Large Fowl females who has large fowl Cockerels. She also wants the old fashion Rhode Island Red Large Fowl and wants me to help her find a good true to breed line. It made me think how many people out there have or breed old fashion Heritage Large Fowl Chickens?

When I was a little boy growing up in South West Washington State my dad use to take us on drives every Sunday in the country. As we drove by these old farms there were signs outside these farmers fences that would show Registered Polled Herefords, Black Angus, Brown Swiss, Jersey, Holstein and Shorthorn Cattle to just name a few. When I would go to the sale barns I never saw these kinds of cattle just the normal mix match type of cattle or half Guernsey half Herford type caves.

What do you think is a Heritage Style of Poultry like the above cattle breeds I mentioned?

Do any of you have any of these rare breeds?

How many Heat age Large Fowl do you think are left in the Country during the winter months in the breeding Pens? 100 -200- 300 birds per old rare breed?

What has happen to the folks like Grand Ma who use to have a flock of nice Heritage Chickens in the 1950s?

Do you think many want to preserve these old rare breeds?

These are just a few ideas I had today as I was feeding my chickens and after I got this email from one of the members of this board. Look forward to your replies and pictures of old birds. One breed that has made major strides in the past ten years is the Buckeye folks. It proves what they have done in the past five years can be done with any old rare breed.



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This was my first post over two years ago. I think in the last few months we are getting away from the real purpose of this thread. Instead of trying to save old breeds and or try to maintain them we are getting into higher methods of breeding and genttics which be a major turn off for someone who wants to convert from backyard feedstore birds to so called Standard Breed Birds or the TRICK word I used HERITAGE to convert many of you over.

So many times people want to debate if their breed is Heritage or not. If this method is better than another or not. I have a breed that is bothering me right now and its SILVER SPANGLED HAMBURGS. Who will take over the Paul Hardy line. Has he given his secrets to the right people or just people he thought would continue his old blood line but really wont. Once he no longer is able to continue on his old line will they go up in smoke like other good strains have in the past.

Old breeds need homes like dogs and cats in shelters in your community's. We need to be more interested in preserving or keeping these old breeds going then working about how to go about doing it.

Lets keep plowing away on this thread on how to get more people involved in raising old breeds of chickens with out a masters degree in Poultry Science. Look forward to more pictures of your birds. Have you got a good method on how to ship eggs to your friends this year?

Want to share it?

 

[ashandvine]

The information is outdated. Sorry to burst your bubble. I wasn't talking about how optic nerves are wired or how the functional or motor cortex is wired or located. I was talking about how people have this idea that 'Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" has merit when it does not. Rendering is not a hemispherical phenomenon. The parts of the brain which fire up, greater for remembered objects than with those imagined, say from a heard description, are not on either side of the brain but central. So when you look at a bird or I give you a description of one you are using not a left or right side of your brain but this central part. Something else you might find interesting to read about is how Autistic folks brains work. Depending on the severity of their autism they are able to communicate in verbal means, but nearly all of them have a hard time processing the song and dance, nuance and verbal meaning as well as intonation of communicating. All knowledge is based on current means to acquire it. We haven't proven there is no Santa only that there is a historical persona and that physics asserts that his journey now would be impossible. What you believe does not need to rely on science.

 

[Maggiesdad]

Bob I don't think you can do any better than this, unless you take them to your friend's yourself.

This fellow sent me egg like THIS, and they arrived in fine shape. I've used the same method, 3000 miles away with success, and had friends ship to me using this method, no breakage.


My boy is a cub scout and every fall the fire company brings a ladder truck over and the boys get to drop an egg off the ladder, packed any way they see fit. My boy uses this way of packing, and never has had a broken egg. From 40' in the air onto concrete.

Glen

 

[kathyinmo]

9-9-2010

I just got an email from a person who needs Barred Rock Large Fowl females who has large fowl Cockerels. She also wants the old fashion Rhode Island Red Large Fowl and wants me to help her find a good true to breed line. It made me think how many people out there have or breed old fashion Heritage Large Fowl Chickens?

When I was a little boy growing up in South West Washington State my dad use to take us on drives every Sunday in the country. As we drove by these old farms there were signs outside these farmers fences that would show Registered Polled Herefords, Black Angus, Brown Swiss, Jersey, Holstein and Shorthorn Cattle to just name a few. When I would go to the sale barns I never saw these kinds of cattle just the normal mix match type of cattle or half Guernsey half Herford type caves.

What do you think is a Heritage Style of Poultry like the above cattle breeds I mentioned?

Do any of you have any of these rare breeds?

How many Heat age Large Fowl do you think are left in the Country during the winter months in the breeding Pens? 100 -200- 300 birds per old rare breed?

What has happen to the folks like Grand Ma who use to have a flock of nice Heritage Chickens in the 1950s?

Do you think many want to preserve these old rare breeds?

These are just a few ideas I had today as I was feeding my chickens and after I got this email from one of the members of this board. Look forward to your replies and pictures of old birds. One breed that has made major strides in the past ten years is the Buckeye folks. It proves what they have done in the past five years can be done with any old rare breed.



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This was my first post over two years ago. I think in the last few months we are getting away from the real purpose of this thread. Instead of trying to save old breeds and or try to maintain them we are getting into higher methods of breeding and genttics which be a major turn off for someone who wants to convert from backyard feedstore birds to so called Standard Breed Birds or the TRICK word I used HERITAGE to convert many of you over.

So many times people want to debate if their breed is Heritage or not. If this method is better than another or not. I have a breed that is bothering me right now and its SILVER SPANGLED HAMBURGS. Who will take over the Paul Hardy line. Has he given his secrets to the right people or just people he thought would continue his old blood line but really wont. Once he no longer is able to continue on his old line will they go up in smoke like other good strains have in the past.

Old breeds need homes like dogs and cats in shelters in your community's. We need to be more interested in preserving or keeping these old breeds going then working about how to go about doing it.

Lets keep plowing away on this thread on how to get more people involved in raising old breeds of chickens with out a masters degree in Poultry Science. Look forward to more pictures of your birds. Have you got a good method on how to ship eggs to your friends this year?

Want to share it?

I am with you, Bob. I would love for this thread to get back on topic - as your first post describes. I have sorta strayed away due to all the off topic posts.

I won't be incubating-hatching for a while yet. When I begin, I do intend on shipping chicks.

 

[Cedarknob]

Wanting to wish everyone on this thread a.....................................




[They're White Cornish; the ultimate heritage meat bird in my opinion, and my personal choice as a utility, self-sustaining meat breed.]

 

[BarnGoddess01]

http://www.ehow.com/list_7415746_dominant-characteristics-right-brain.html

The studies demonstrated that the left and right hemispheres are specialized in different tasks. The left side of the brain is normally specialized in taking care of the analytical and verbal tasks. The left side speaks much better than the right side, while the right half takes care of the space perception tasks and music, for example. The right hemisphere is involved when you are making a map or giving directions on how to get to your home from the bus station. The right hemisphere can only produce rudimentary words and phrases, but contributes emotional context to language. Without the help from the right hemisphere, you would be able to read the word "pig" for instance, but you wouldn't be able to imagine what it is.



Right vision field is connected to the left hemisphere. Left vision field is connected to the right hemisphere.
http://www.nobelprize.org/educational/medicine/split-brain/background.html

see colored chart.

Based on your comments we need to have the Nobel Peace Prize Committee get Dr. Perrys award and his money back to their origination. I also wonder when I take care of Stroke patients in the nursing home why some can talk and some cant ? Does it depend what side of the brain was affected or the side of the body? I will look into this. I meet a Retired Dr. who was a Pediatric Investigative Pathologist who use to cut up little kids after they died to see what caused them to have this or that with their disease. that killed them.

It is also funny on the motivation speakers like Brian Tracy, Dr. DeWayne Dyer and Zig Zigler who talked about this in their sales presentations years ago on how to get people to say yes to buy a product or let you make a appointment to get into their house to try to sell a product. We used this information to talk to Auditorys and Visual but I guess it was all voodo thinging.

So it looks like any buddy can be a master breeder if they want to I guess the art and science factor is all bogus.

Next thing I will find out is their is no Santa Clasue. Bummer.

I got to go and see Mr. Sikie and tell him.

The information is outdated. Sorry to burst your bubble. I wasn't talking about how optic nerves are wired or how the functional or motor cortex is wired or located. I was talking about how people have this idea that 'Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" has merit when it does not. Rendering is not a hemispherical phenomenon. The parts of the brain which fire up, greater for remembered objects than with those imagined, say from a heard description, are not on either side of the brain but central. So when you look at a bird or I give you a description of one you are using not a left or right side of your brain but this central part. Something else you might find interesting to read about is how Autistic folks brains work. Depending on the severity of their autism they are able to communicate in verbal means, but nearly all of them have a hard time processing the song and dance, nuance and verbal meaning as well as intonation of communicating. All knowledge is based on current means to acquire it. We haven't proven there is no Santa only that there is a historical persona and that physics asserts that his journey now would be impossible. What you believe does not need to rely on science.

The information isn't outdated. You are talking at cross purposes. There is absolutely NO doubt that the brain is sided. There is some stuff that is rather more centralized and some stuff that crosses over or can be re-learned by the other side if need be. But the brain IS sided, individual differences aside. The act of '"drawing" or rendering, is a complex task that can be on either side, or, apparently, in the middle, depending on how much one is 'thinking' about the mechanics of the drawing and how much is just being expressed artistically.

 

[3riverschick]

This fellow sent me egg like THIS, and they arrived in fine shape. I've used the same method, 3000 miles away with success, and had friends ship to me using this method, no breakage.

Glen

Very interesting, Glen. Back around 1900, egg producers were doing much more shipping of eggs into the cities. They went by rail and roadway. A big problem was breakage. The packers started to look for ways to mitigate the problem. One packer was using excelsior. He would pack each egg inside a ball of excelsior, then put them in the egg crates. His ratio of broken eggs was much lower than his competitors. It became a popular way to pack eating eggs for shipment to market.
Looks like you have recreated it here.
Cool,
Karen

 

[BarnGoddess01]

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Most interesting to see this. I recently received some Silkie eggs that were heavily wrapped in plastic bubble wrap - but with the ends tightly sealed as well. Clearly, the shipper wanted the eggs to arrive safely which they did. However, when I unpacked the eggs, several of the dozen were sweating which gave me pause because this isn't my first time with shipped eggs. I wondered if they got too cold at some point but eggs from multiple sources arrived at the same post office on the same day. Weather for shipping was not extreme and the eggs with the problem were actually relatively local. (The other 2 dozen made a 3,000 mile trip.) But I did take note of how hard it was to unpack the eggs. They WERE well wrapped, multi layers. Only 1 developed and it was literally days behind the rest. (I also received 2 dozen eggs from someone else that weren't so tightly sealed that did MUCH better.) I don't know if it was the lack of air that did in the eggs but it sure makes me suspicious. (So the tube idea with open ends sure makes sense to me .... )

 

[Chris Herzog]

9-9-2010

I just got an email from a person who needs Barred Rock Large Fowl females who has large fowl Cockerels. She also wants the old fashion Rhode Island Red Large Fowl and wants me to help her find a good true to breed line. It made me think how many people out there have or breed old fashion Heritage Large Fowl Chickens?

When I was a little boy growing up in South West Washington State my dad use to take us on drives every Sunday in the country. As we drove by these old farms there were signs outside these farmers fences that would show Registered Polled Herefords, Black Angus, Brown Swiss, Jersey, Holstein and Shorthorn Cattle to just name a few. When I would go to the sale barns I never saw these kinds of cattle just the normal mix match type of cattle or half Guernsey half Herford type caves.

What do you think is a Heritage Style of Poultry like the above cattle breeds I mentioned?

Do any of you have any of these rare breeds?

How many Heat age Large Fowl do you think are left in the Country during the winter months in the breeding Pens? 100 -200- 300 birds per old rare breed?

What has happen to the folks like Grand Ma who use to have a flock of nice Heritage Chickens in the 1950s?

Do you think many want to preserve these old rare breeds?

These are just a few ideas I had today as I was feeding my chickens and after I got this email from one of the members of this board. Look forward to your replies and pictures of old birds. One breed that has made major strides in the past ten years is the Buckeye folks. It proves what they have done in the past five years can be done with any old rare breed.



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This was my first post over two years ago. I think in the last few months we are getting away from the real purpose of this thread. Instead of trying to save old breeds and or try to maintain them we are getting into higher methods of breeding and genttics which be a major turn off for someone who wants to convert from backyard feedstore birds to so called Standard Breed Birds or the TRICK word I used HERITAGE to convert many of you over.

So many times people want to debate if their breed is Heritage or not. If this method is better than another or not. I have a breed that is bothering me right now and its SILVER SPANGLED HAMBURGS. Who will take over the Paul Hardy line. Has he given his secrets to the right people or just people he thought would continue his old blood line but really wont. Once he no longer is able to continue on his old line will they go up in smoke like other good strains have in the past.

Old breeds need homes like dogs and cats in shelters in your community's. We need to be more interested in preserving or keeping these old breeds going then working about how to go about doing it.

Lets keep plowing away on this thread on how to get more people involved in raising old breeds of chickens with out a masters degree in Poultry Science. Look forward to more pictures of your birds. Have you got a good method on how to ship eggs to your friends this year?

Want to share it?

Amen to that!

I couldn't care less about what side of my brain (or if it the center for that matter) that's doing anything when I look at a pic of a chicken. No disrespect intended to anyone but really! I read this thread to learn about Chickens not to find out "Just how does my brain works anyway". Wow, and this is coming off of how many pages we had to go through with all the breading stuff and the why my way is better than your way attitudes since I went here and studied under so and so or read this book or that. Holy crap people! How many of us do you think reading this thread could follow all that stuff? I for one COULD NOT, nor do I care to.

Please check the attitudes at the door and remember, you have nothing to prove to anyone. If someone disagrees with you go kick your dog or something but at some point before you post again, let it go. If you have a Ph.D. or your working on one, great, good for you! Please remember to KISS (keep it simple stupid) so us Blue Collar people can follow along in the conversation. My wife is a Dr and I have to keep asking her questions about some of these post to witch she replies.....What are you reading, I thought you were on your chicken forum.

But, whatever you do and what's most important to us all..... please lets all try to keep this on topic and that is... HERITAGE LARGE FOWL.

Crawling back under my rock now,
Chris