Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[fowlman01]

Hahaha! I just seen this..... I will work on beating you more than once..... ha!

I haven't even charged you.....yet.

w.

 

[3riverschick]

RE: difficulties buying birds. I would guess that most of the people "turned off" here have never tried to buy a bird from a breeder. A lot of this is folklore perpetuated here on BYC and not based on anyone's actual experience with real breeders. Breeders may be difficult to find, but we have mentioned how to do that.

Walt

I think part of the problem is learners hanging out with and buying from other learners. Hold on a minute..just give me a bit to explain....or... I think this internationally renowned veteran dog breeder can explain it better than I. From Roselyn Williams classic book, "Reaching For the Stars, Advanced Labrador Breeding". This is applicable to all animal breeders. Just substitute poultry terms for dog terms.
http://www.wolfweb.com.au/acd/sevenages.html

 

[Lacy Blues]

There isn't a club in Idaho that I know of... or Utah.. There is a poultry fanciers group in Utah that I am trying to get some more information on.. Nothing in Idaho... I started the Rocky Mountain Chickenstock last year here.. will have the 2nd Annual on May 4th.. wanting to do a show but there aren't any APA judges closer than California... Anyone want to come visit Yellowstone in May and come judge a show? Walt?

Isn't there a show every year somewhere in western Montana? Perhaps you can find some contacts through them?

 

[Mr MKK FARMS]

Can anyone give me a list of what would be considered Heritage large Fowl?
Would Large Fowl Barred Rocks be considered Heritage Large fowl?

 

[gjensen]

I have not had the same experiences others must have. I have found poultry breeders to be a generous bunch. Poultry enthusiasts in general are friendly people. Opinionated maybe, but good people.

There just isn't a lot of people breeding some breeds, and it takes time to learn how to locate them. I have found that when the breeders are located, that they are usually happy to help. Many of them are glad to meet someone that shares a common intersest.

I would say that it is easier now than it has ever been to find what you want. We can't expect everyone to do something for us. Some will, some will not. Sometimes it is just timing.

Maybe it is that it is too easy, and we expect it to always be easy.

If someone gets discouraged trying to source some birds, then I cannot imagine them getting far with them if they did get them.

 

[imtrying]

Not everybody that buys/gets quality birds are going to do right by the breed, or follow what the original breeders intent was BUT if you get one, or two, or three people, young or old, that gets and accepts the help of those with more expertise on that breed, then that is just a few more people out there, whether they show or not, that is giving these heritage breeds a fighting chance.

It has to be a two way street in order for these breeds to progress to where they should be. We have to have experienced breeders willing to take the chance, be there to answer questions, help guide the beginner, AND we have to have beginners who are willing to listen to the voice of experience and not be afraid to ask questions and ask for help.

I didn't have the first clue about not bringing in new lines to try and improve a line UNTIL I read the experts on these threads explaining it, explaining how to breed these birds. Now I know so I will follow the voice of experience and knowledge and breed my birds accordingly.

Not all beginners are "juniors". There is a growing number of older people that really want to raise heritage breed poultry to the standards BUT may never have the desire to show their birds. I am one of them and talk to many more just like me.

Penny

this.

 

[mschlumb]

Can anyone give me a list of what would be considered Heritage large Fowl?
Would Large Fowl Barred Rocks be considered Heritage Large fowl?

"Heritage" is a marketing term used to label products from APA standard-bred birds. or simply put they are non-commercial strains. But breeds that would meet the "heritage" definition would be any large fowl breed recognized by the APA by the mid- twentieth century. The ALBC has a full definition on their website.

So yes your barred Plymouth rocks would be considered heritage.

Really the term heritage is closely related to "exhibition" quality, in my opinion, because these birds are supposed match the APA standard of perfection.

 

[Fred's Hens]

"Heritage" is a marketing term used to label products from APA standard-bred birds. or simply put they are non-commercial strains. But breeds that would meet the "heritage" definition would be any large fowl breed recognized by the APA by the mid- twentieth century. The ALBC has a full definition on their website.
So yes your barred Plymouth rocks would be considered heritage.
Really the term heritage is closely related to "exhibition" quality, in my opinion, because these birds are supposed match the APA standard of perfection.

The breed, Barred Rock, is a heritage breed, but not all individual Barred Rocks are. Likely, the vast, vast majority are not.

 

[Fred's Hens]

"Heritage" is a marketing term used to label products from APA standard-bred birds. or simply put they are non-commercial strains. But breeds that would meet the "heritage" definition would be any large fowl breed recognized by the APA by the mid- twentieth century. The ALBC has a full definition on their website.
So yes your barred Plymouth rocks would be considered heritage.
Really the term heritage is closely related to "exhibition" quality, in my opinion, because these birds are supposed match the APA standard of perfection.

This.
What people often miss in the definition of a heritage breed on the ALBC website is this. APA standard bred birds.
I've seen Bob say something like, "the ability to be scored a 92", if I remember correctly.

 

[mschlumb]

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